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Have you ever seen Dead Famous Ghostly Encounters" Its really interesting (that and the male host really neat) I dont really believe in all that, but it is extremely interesting.

OK, as long as you don't confuse your beliefs (a form of magical thinking) with truth or reality, we're all set. Anyone can come up with whatever explanation they like for a phemomenon, rational or otherwise.> I think you also have to truely believe in something like that to work.I'm glad that's not true for gravity. I had a car with an electrical issue that I didn't believe would start reliably, but sometimes it did. Maybe it was the car's own belief that was important.> I don't think a 9 year old would be a prime candidate for the test.Now I know you didn't click on the link before you responded. She conducted the test. So let me quote the relevant information (note that "TT" is Theraputic Touch):In reply to:In 1996, Linda Rosa, R.N., published a critique of all of the studies related to TT she could locate in nursing journals and elsewhere. She concluded: "The more rigorous the research design, the more detailed the statistical analysis, the less evidence that there is any observed -- or observable -- phenomenon." [2]During the past two years, Rosa's daughter Emily has tested 21 TT practitioners to determine whether they could detect one of her hands near theirs. Each subject was tested ten or twenty times. During the tests, the practitioners rested their forearms and hands, palms up, on a flat surface, approximately 10 to 12 inches apart. Emily then hovered her hand, palm down, a few inches above one of the subject's palms. A cardboard screen was used to prevent the subjects from seeing which hand was selected. The practitioners correctly located Emily's hand only 122 (44%) out of 280 trials, which is no better than would be expected by guessing [3]. A score of 50% would be expected through chance alone. George D. Lundberg, M.D., editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), believes that TT practitioners now have an ethical duty to disclose the results of this study to potential patients and that third-party payers should question whether they should pay for TT procedures. Lundberg also believes that patients should "refuse to pay for this procedure until or unless additional honest experimentation demonstrates an actual effect." [4][The footnotes can be found at the bottom of the article.]Apparetly, Therapeutic Touch practioners don't feel an ethical obligation to disclose that they're full of beans.And no one has ever been able to prove a haunting...but irrational belief can be a powerful thing to contend with.

No...sorry. By and large, popular media gives people what they want, and chllenging their irrational beliefs is not what they want. So people get programs that make them feel good by affirming their ideas. Theere's little challenge to the magical idea du jour, unless the program's on PBS or the BBC.It's pretty much the same in the political arena.But I do like the Twilight Zone TV show.

OK, as long as you don't confuse your beliefs (a form of magical thinking) with truth or reality, we're all set. Anyone can come up with whatever explanation they like for a phemomenon, rational or otherwise.Of ocurse its my belief.. doesn't effect me if people disagree or agree.. it's my belief.>I'm glad that's not true for gravity. I had a car with an electrical issue that I didn't believe would start reliably, but sometimes it did. Maybe it was the car's own belief that was importantAn extreme example but I agree.>Apparetly, Therapeutic Touch practioners don't feel an ethical obligation to disclose that they're full of beans.I think thats a bit exteme to say they are all full of beans. There is more to Reiki than just TT. There's a lot you have to do in order to attune yourself to actually give a proper Reiki massage. You cannot just go to onw atuuning and except to be able to give a real Reiki massage, it's something you study. Again, I am not going to try and persuad anyone to believe in TT, but at the same time I not going to call people who practice TT as "full of beans".>And no one has ever been able to prove a haunting...but irrational belief can be a powerful thing to contend with. Haunting is a bit far. And saying that it's irrational is also you judging those who have witnessed something "odd". I personally have never seen a ghost, but I have been in situations where normal thinking could not explain what happened. When I was younger, my two sisters and my oldest sisters best friend were in my sisters room playing on the o-board (sorry cannot think how to spell that lol). Well all of a sudden the pillows and blankets on the bed got tossed off the bed onto the other side of the room.. we were no where near the bed and we ran like little chickens down stairs LoL. Just an example of a few things that happened to me personally that normal logic could not explain.The whole realm of possibility of ghosts and extraterrestials is very fascinating.

Why does something have to be an irrational belief just because we have no scientific studies? There's a lot of things out there that comes off very irrational, yet there is no explinations to make them rational.

Of ocurse its my belief.. doesn't effect me if people disagree or agree.. it's my belief.> I am not going to try and persuad anyone to believe in TT, but at the same time I not going to call people who practice TT as "full of beans".What would it take to disabuse you of a belief? Anything? Mathematical proof? A preponderance of scientific evidence? Do you understand why I use the word "religion"?> Just an example of a few things that happened to me personally that normal logic could not explain.That is patently absurd. A good first step would be to actually consider a logical explanation. The problem is that it's easier and more fun to accept a fanciful belief then to actually try to figure out how things work. Some things can't be explained by current knowledge (some issues in astrophysics, for instance). What good does do to make up explanations? Isn't it acceptable to say, "I don't understand that. It will have to remain a mystery for now."?> The whole realm of possibility of ghosts and extraterrestials is very fascinating.The distinction between "fascinated by" and "believing in" should not be lost.The South Park episode rerun last night, where Kyle's mom was trying to treat his kidney failure through traditional medicine, when a kidney transplant is the only think that can save him. Funny, but scary.

What would it take to disabuse you of a belief? Anything? Mathematical proof? A preponderance of scientific evidence? Do you understand why I use the word "religion"?It would take more than you telling me your belief.>That is patently absurd. A good first step would be to actually consider a logical explanation. The problem is that it's easier and more fun to accept a fanciful belief then to actually try to figure out how things work. Some things can't be explained by current knowledge (some issues in astrophysics, for instance). What good does do to make up explanations? Isn't it acceptable to say, "I don't understand that. It will have to remain a mystery for now."?Give me a real logical explination on what caused the pillows and blankets to be thrown across the room when it was not done by human means. Can you even give me one?>The distinction between "fascinated by" and "believing in" should not be lost.yes there is a distinction between them. I find the topics fascinating and there is a degree in which I believe in them as well. When I was in middle school I remember reading a lot of books on UFO's, Ghosts etc etc. There are things that you cannot just simply dismiss.Again please feel free to think its "ittational" but also have respect for those that disagree and believe in things that even science cannot explain.Just because you have never experienced an odd happening doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Sounds like either a spirit, or lingering energy that you've picked up on.

I live in a very haunted house and encounter this on a daily basis. We've around four different ghosts in our house, and they come and go as they please.

Once you've picked up on it, you'll be more likely to encounter it again. Just pray that you never encounter a malicious presence. I had the misfortune to experience an extremely powerful one, and it's something I'll never forget. I was left pretty much convinced that it was more demonic, than anything from the spirit world.

What would it take to disabuse you of a belief? Anything? Mathematical proof? A preponderance of scientific evidence? Do you understand why I use the word "religion"?> It would take more than you telling me your belief.Nonsense. There is no evidence or proof you could be shown that would dissuade you from your fun and interesting beliefs.> Again please feel free to think its "ittational" but also have respect for those that disagree and believe in things that even science cannot explain.So then no beliefs up up for criticism? Are gays the spawn of satan? Are blacks evil? Where do you draw the line?To you, there is no such thing as an irrational belief. The word "rational" is not in your vocabulary. That is just intellectual laziness. Seriously, what else would you call believing something because no one has yet shown you falsity of your belief? How long did it take you to get past the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause?Go ahead and believe what you want to believe, but if you ever get a position where your ideas influence government policy, I will be pissed.

Sounds like a feeling of deja vu, caused by activity within your own brain.

Better call the exorcist.

steeeeeeeeeeve your hijacking my thread lol

The post above yours speaks directly to your experience. Sounds like a feeling of deja vu (or foreboding), caused by activity within your own brain.The exorcist is optional.

Jews dont believe in exorsists :wink:

Jews dont believe in exorsistsWell then how do Jews evict evil spirits, bad energies, and Satan?Maybe you need to study Kaballah.

Im searching ask moses about this hmm...And i study the torah, not kaballah

I had this feeling once. I'm not sure if the room had bad carma or if it was all the roaches suddenly running from the light. yes... bad feeling about that room

When you turn on the light and half the mass of the building shifts, it's a bad sign.

I am going to butt in steve, and bring in a different point. i agree with steve that the best way to understand something is to try and solve how it works rather than making some far off incoherent explanation. I mean look back at times in the 100+ years ago, they could not explain the of why planets were orbiting the sun (or our planet as it was once thought).Aslo I would like to say that I do not think that we have fully grasped the power of our minds (not in moving objects), but in making us feel things. If we are open to believing something as your personal aura, your brain is going to make you "feel" that way. The power of suggestion is very strong and i think some people take it to extremes.

In reply to: But I have too much free time!!! u can have some of my school work crap! In reply to:it is that feeling something unlucky happened there or something? Someone DIDN'T get lucky or someone got their throat slit....

The power of suggestion is very strong...Man, that is way, way true.