Can you imagine...

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...the amount of liberal screaming if it were Christians that had done this: THEY WERE MOSTLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN It would be on the front page of every liberal rag in both real and cyber world. But instead we get silence. What's it going to take for the liberals to wake up and understand that they have met the enemy, and they themselves are he. OK...now that I've said that, let's hear all the excuses and rationalization on behalf of the poor Muslims in this circumstance.

Christians have done similar acts - for example in Yelwa in 2004 in the same Nigerian state as Jos - but none of it makes the front pages of Western media, liberal or otherwise, because it's in Africa.

There is a long history of Christian/Muslim rioting, arson and murder in Nigeria, in Plateau State, and in Jos itself:

2001 Jos riots
2008 Jos riots
Jos riots in January and March this year

The March riots were reported in many serious Western media outlets, including the New York Times, The Economist, Reuters and the BBC (eg March 7 and March 8) and even on CNN and Yahoo, so there has hardly been total silence.

The Christian Science Monitor ran this article during the January riots.

I might add that I consider that page on the website of the Anglican Diocese of Jos to be grossly irresponsible in tone. In an area of high tension, it seems calculated to inflame reprisal attacks.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleChristians have done similar acts - for example in Yelwa in 2004 in the same Nigerian state as Jos - but none of it makes the front pages of Western media, liberal or otherwise, because it's in Africa.There is a long history of Christian/Muslim rioting, arson and murder in Nigeria, in Plateau State, and in Jos itself:2001 Jos riots2008 Jos riotsJos riots in January and March this yearThe March riots were reported in many serious Western media outlets, including the New York Times, The Economist, Reuters and the BBC (eg March 7 and March 8) and even on CNN and Yahoo, so there has hardly been total silence.The Christian Science Monitor ran this article during the January riots.I might add that I consider that page on the website of the Anglican Diocese of Jos to be grossly irresponsible in tone. In an area of high tension, it seems calculated to inflame reprisal attacks. First you say western media doesn't pay attention because it's in Afria, then say March riots were reported by western media. Which is it?Either way, what I mention here is not a riot...it's a slaughter...a massacre. Something more heinous than a riot. Yet the western media that reports on a riot ignores a slaughter such as this. What's your explanation? Hmmmmm?

as you or your reference is suggesting that this situation is purely a religious conflict, them we must conclude that religion is at faultsimple... eliminate religionthanks for the update

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedas you or your reference is suggesting that this situation is purely a religious conflict, them we must conclude that religion is at faultsimple... eliminate religionthanks for the update Since religion exists in the minds of people, the only way to eliminate it is to eliminate the people. Is that what a liberal is suggesting we do? Sounds downright Stalinish to me.

I said it didn't appear on the front page (where you might notice it) because it's in Africa - the Western media still tends to give Western news priority. It nevertheless was reported. It's not a yes or no question, thor.Do you think this massacre got less media attention than the Yelwa massacre?

Originally Posted By: IneligibleI said it didn't appear on the front page (where you might notice it) because it's in Africa - the Western media still tends to give Western news priority. It nevertheless was reported. It's not a yes or no question, thor.No...you said "front pages"...meaning it was relegated to the back pages, if it made the report at all.Ones of these days I'm going to take the time to turn the conversation around in a slow and subtle manner...just so that I can show you arguing with yourself.

Quote:ou said "front pages"...meaning it was relegated to the back pages that is the craziest rebuttal yet.

You said "silence", meaning it wasn't reported at all. I showed that it was. Quote:Ones of these days I'm going to take the time to turn the conversation around in a slow and subtle mannerYou certainly try to shift your ground! But it's not subtle.How about my question? Do you think the March 2010 Jos massacre got less media attention than the 2004 Yelwa massacre?

Originally Posted By: unsupervised Quote:ou said "front pages"...meaning it was relegated to the back pages that is the craziest rebuttal yet. When taken out of context, anything can be made to sound crazy. Maybe that's why liberals do that all the time...they have to.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleYou said "silence", meaning it wasn't reported at all. I showed that it was.Silence is relative...and the rags over here have been relatively silent. You have shown how to evade the point...as you always have to do when you don't like what it indicates. Quote:How about my question? Do you think the March 2010 Jos massacre got less media attention than the 2004 Yelwa massacre? How about you answer my questions first? See above.

Originally Posted By: thorNo...you said "front pages"...meaning it was relegated to the back pages, if it made the report at all.Its always black and white with you, isn't it? Its either front pages or back pages. Have you picked up a newspaper recently? They've got lots of pages: front pages, back pages and middle pages.And you think this wasn't reported, or reported as widely, because it was Muslims?

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousAnd you think this wasn't reported, or reported as widely, because it was Muslims? If you don't think it's at least a factor, you're being foolish.

Originally Posted By: thorIf you don't think it's at least a factor, you're being foolish. Well I don't think its a factor, but that's simply because I have no evidence to show that it is one. This is not to say that I'm right and you're wrong, you could very well be right. But what is your reasoning, may I ask?

Let's go right to your original post. You said: Quote:Can you imagine...the amount of liberal screaming if it were Christians that had done this . . . It would be on the front page of every liberal rag in both real and cyber world.I don't imagine you actually expected your hypothesis to be put to the test. But it has been - there was a massacre by Christians, in the same Nigerian state, with a similar number of dead, and also with reports of atrocities. So we can see if your hypothesis of "liberal screaming" is correct. Did it occur?No. In fact, the Yelwa massacre appears to have been largely ignored by Western media, and reported far less than the Jos massacre. The BBC did report it (May 5, May 6, May 14), but hardly with screaming.So your hypothesis is disproved. This could be an opportunity to learn something - many advances in science have occurred when a long-held belief is disproved by an observation.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleSo your hypothesis is disproved. This could be an opportunity to learn something - many advances in science have occurred when a long-held belief is disproved by an observation. Richard Dawkins has a very similar line, with a very nice anecdote that goes with it.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleLet's go right to your original post. You said: Quote:Can you imagine...the amount of liberal screaming if it were Christians that had done this . . . It would be on the front page of every liberal rag in both real and cyber world.I don't imagine you actually expected your hypothesis to be put to the test. But it has been - there was a massacre by Christians, in the same Nigerian state, with a similar number of dead, and also with reports of atrocities. So we can see if your hypothesis of "liberal screaming" is correct. Did it occur?No. In fact, the Yelwa massacre appears to have been largely ignored by Western media, and reported far less than the Jos massacre. The BBC did report it (May 5, May 6, May 14), but hardly with screaming.So your hypothesis is disproved. This could be an opportunity to learn something - many advances in science have occurred when a long-held belief is disproved by an observation. Nah...doesn't wash. They'd have to report on both, which they won't do. Can't upset the Muslims now, can we. But if the Muslims weren't doing this kind of thing here and there all the time, you bet it'd be front-page news...after all, those Christians are all such baaaad people. roflmao

Quote:Nah...doesn't wash. They'd have to report on both, which they won't do. can you please explain this statement? Both stories were reported. What would you view as fair and equal media representation of both massacres?

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Nah...doesn't wash. They'd have to report on both, which they won't do.

can you please explain this statement? Both stories were reported. What would you view as fair and equal media representation of both massacres?

Covered where? In Africa? I'd call it fair if both were covered here. Not gonna happen.

Originally Posted By: thorCovered where? In Africa? I'd call it fair if both were covered here. Not gonna happen.  Originally Posted By: IneligibleThe March riots were reported in many serious Western media outlets, including the New York Times, The Economist, Reuters and the BBC (eg March 7 and March 8) and even on CNN and Yahoo, so there has hardly been total silence see, now, here is where I go back to my hypothesis that you are just a troll and in no way serious about the outlandish statements you make. I know, it's fun and you get my goat sometimes. Of course, I know you are a moral man and would not, in seriousness, stand on the backs of slaughtered innocents, be they Christian, Muslim or otherwise, just to make a political statement about western media... right?