Guys jerking off other guys? thought about it?

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Keep re-reading my posts until they make since because you didn't get what i was saying and I refused to restate myself over and over again.Sorry not being rude but I laid it out as simple as I possibly can.

it is hot hough ive never seen two guyts jerking each other off though the idea does make me a little wet... that shit is hot!

omg man i understand your posts, I am not an idiot. There is a difference between an opinion and a fact, and the opinions of the authors of the books you read in school will never change my opinion.

No you don't understand. How do I know this?? Because you made this statement:" am a guy, and my best friend is a guy. I would think that were are emotionally attatched, but nothing sexual. Now according to you when it comes to being gay, emotional attatchment is ultimately what it comes down to and not sexual attraction"You are talking about a friendship, something thats NONSEXUAL. This thread is about something this is SEXUAL. You can have an emotional relationship with someone of the same sex that is not gay as long as their is no sexual activity. No where in my posts did I ever say that if you have an emotional connection to someone of the same sex you are gay, that's rediculous. My point on the thread was simply homosexuality comes from an emotional and sexual attachment to someone of the same sex.Does that make more sense to you?

> the opinions of the authors of the books you read in school will never change my opinion

I agree, unless they can back it up with logic and good data.

(Ntro, you are a world class arguer. You think it's a sin. I think it's OK. Deal with it. Whether you or not you enjoy arguing, you do it an awful lot.

(I don't disrespect the people I debate with. I really have to wonder, though, about someone who claims to be educated, but keeps repeating things that should have been put to rest during your education. Things that run counter to science. I'm still wondering about your idea that an opinion can't be argued, because it's an opinion. Is that a Zen koan?)

Steve let it go, will you? Ignore my posts if that makes you feel better. It's more than clear you are going to argue everything I say..make it a mental note that I don't care. It's rediculous that you have to hunt down every post I make and turn it into a debate. It's annoying not just to me but also to everyone else on the boards.

Nothing personal, I just disagree with things that are incorrect, especially when they fall in the realm of science. Claims can be supported by data, but sometimes people think they're above all that, and mock it all as a bunch of Googling.

One last time. The gender you like to have sex with, determines weather you are gay, straight, or bi. If you are a guy, and you like to have sex with guys but cant develop feelings for guys, that still makes you gay(or bi if you also like to have sex with women).

Okay, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere else on a2a that you said you were gay, correct?Well then, let me ask you this: does the female anatomy in itself arouse you?The homosexual answer to that would be no. Gay men (like us, assuming you are gay) are not physically aroused by females, as in looking at a naked woman/lesbian sex/whatever of that generalness would not get you hard, correct? Correct. The male anatomy; however, does arouse you.Boys who get off to boys (only boys), but cannot even get aroused by girls are gay. It's pretty damn simple.You're trying to mix complexity into something that really shouldnt be complicated at all. An emotional attachment without a physical attraction is called an infatuation. An emotional attachment combined with a physical attraction would determine orientation. So, like a said before emotional attraction is a part of it BUT physical attraction is more important in the matter than emotional attachment.Like: A guy can look at a picture of a random woman he doesn't even know and get hard. The same man can look at a picture of a random man he doesn't know and not be aroused at all. Or, switch the situation for the gay effect.Orientation and preference are two very very very different words, they are not always interchangeable. Orientation is the true nature, preference is what you show or care to admit to.

The gender you like to have sex with, determines weather you are gay, straight, or bi.very good...when did I ever disagree. I think you need to go back and keep reading.

Yes I am gay. The female body itself does not attract me. I can find women attractive just not sexually attractive.

(to be warned it's later at night when I am typing this, just an FYI)

>So, like a said before emotional attraction is a part of it BUT physical attraction is more important in the matter than emotional attachment.

First off physical attraction is less important when it comes to determining orientation. It's the emotional attraction that truely makes up someones sexual orientation.

Pardon me as I TRY and make this even MORE clear that I already have.

Okay... I never said Physical attraction means nothing, The primary source of someones sexual orientation comes from emotion but of course physical attraction of course pays a part as well. Problem is sexuality is not as simple as straight, Bi-sexual, or gay. There are straight guys who can have sex with another guy simply because it's sex as there are gay guys who can have sex with women because again it's sex. But when it comes to relationship and emotional attachment that's where sexual orientation truely comes into play.

A lot of you guys think sexuality is so black and white when it's actually very grey. I dunno how I cam make this anymore clear.

Maybe I need to put it in a more informal wording. I was just talking to my BF and he agrees with me on what I am saying and doesn't understand what's so confusing about it. I'll word it like this (Using yet again Jason as my example):

Jason likes sex, and he doesn't care whether if it's with a guy or a girl.. it's a place to put his penis. BUT when it comes to an emotional relationship he only dates guys because that's where his TRUE orientation lies. It doesn't matter who he has sex with, guy or girl, he is still gay because emotionally he prefers males.

Not even sure if this even matters because it's almost like talking to a wall.

My main point I tried to get across is that sexual orientation does not derive from a physical act, it comes from an emotional act.

>One last time. The gender you like to have sex with, determines weather you are gay, straight, or bi. If you are a guy, and you like to have sex with guys but cant develop feelings for guys, that still makes you gay

Very very very wrong. Even if you don't want to believe me read other peoples theories on these forums and you'll see there are people whole will disgaree with what you just said.

What you are saying is not fact. Other peoples theories on this forum are not facts. I have my own theories just like they have theirs. I dont agree with you, i dont know why that is so hard for you to understand.

Than simply say you disagree with me because you have your opinion. Don't say I'm wrong simply because you have your own opinion. You're more than welcome to have your own opinion but be polite about it as well.You don't have to agree with what i say, I am simply giving the information I received while in college and throughout my degree.Enough said because at this point this thread is rediculous.

Let's say person A has one opinion, and person B has another opinion, and that are opinions on matters of fact (e.g., "I have ten fingers") and not on matters of taste (e.g., "What is your favorite color?"). Isn't the implication that person A thinks person B is _wrong_, and person B thinks that person A is _wrong_? In what way is that rude?
Jews, Chirstians, Moslems, and Hindus don't just disagree with one another. Their doctrines disagree. Each thinks the other is wrong. No big deal.

Steve..seriously...let it go.

But I don't understand. This is probably the crux of our issue. People disagree with each other, implying that each thinks the other is wrong. Why is that bad? I think it's one of the great drivers of progress.I still don't understand the idea that you presented a couple of weeks ago, where an opinion can't be wrong, even a personal opinion, because it's an opinion. I just don't get it. And no one else has been able to explain it. No1 seemed to agree with that point. Yet both of you regularly disagree with other people's opinions, especially if it's about something you take personal offense to. Feel free to explain it further, if you like.

Steve I have no issues with other peoples opinions, I usually find hearing other peopels opinions to be interesting because the world is full of people with different view points. What I have issues with are people that try and tell people their opinions are wrong. An opinion is a persons thought and/or belief on a topic. The person receiving the opinion doesn't have to agree with it but at the same time should have enough respect not to say the person is wrong instead it can be said as "That's an interesting point of view but what I think about the topic is....." There truely is no right or wrong opinion because it's a personal thought or belief.More clear now?

What I have issues with are people that try and tell people their opinions are wrong.> There truely is no right or wrong opinion because it's a personal thought or belief.So if a delusional person believes he's Napoleon, he's not wrong? If some Klansman tells you that black people are stupid and gays are destroying the country, and you disagree with him, are you saying that you don't think his opinions are wrong? The guys who just won the Nobel prize in medicine came to the conclusion that the great majority of gastric ulcers are caused by a type of bacteria, whereas the medical community at large thought they were caused stress and other factors. Both opinions were not correct.The opinions in question are about factual matters, not whether or not God exists, or whether you prefer blue or beige towels. You seem to be implying that there is no objective reality; each person carries his own reality (solipsism), and somehow they can intersect without contradiction.If aeronautical engineers thought that way, no plane would ever leave the ground.I'll ask again: In a factual matter, if your opinion is in opposition to that of someone else, how can you not think they're wrong? Is the word "wrong" politically incorrect, and off limits?

Leave it to you to turn and twist everything Steve. Really I am more than bored with you. You know exactly what I meant so just stop it, it's very annoying not to mention yo are acting pretty childish at the moment by trying to keep an arguement going.