I found a site that makes me ill

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Not sure how many people have heard of this site (I'm guessing probably most have), it's called godhatesfags.com. I've heard of this site a long time ago but never really gave it much thought. Well last night on TV they were talking about the creator of the site. Well Adam and I decided to go to the site and see what all the fuss was about. Needless to say he and I both felt ill. And it wasn't just because of his views of homosexuality, but mainly because of these little kids (some maybe 2-3 years old) wearing shirts that reads "God Hates Fags" and holding signs saying "Thank god for Katrina". I mean I'm fine and I acknowledge there are going to be people who dislike homosexuals, it's something you have to accept when you're gay. But to read some of the material and see the pictures it really makes you sick, not just mentally suck but physically sick. My stomach sank and became upset reading and looking at the pictures.How do people become so full of hate? How can anyone body that supports this "church" even call themselves Christians?Before I left the site I seen a little section that's actually designated to Mathew Shepard and Diane Whipple, stating how many days they have "been in hell". Wasn't it bad enough that they picketed their funerals, but now they have post something like that? I know there's freedom of speak in America, and I respect that. But shouldn't there be a point where things have gone too far? Maybe it's just my opinion but this site has gone beyond too far. I don't think I've seen a site so full of hate until i seen this one, and part of me wishes I still wouldn't have seen it.Sorry for the rant but I am still shocked at the material.~Eddie~Edit: Changed title of post because I first titled it "This site makes me ill" and it made it sound like I was talking about this wbsite; A2A.

american society is really hung up on all things sexual. Imagine if the site was called godhatesniggers.com? There would be a court injuction to tear it down.What if George W suggested an amendment to the constitution to ensure that Hindus can never be legally married in America?The fag-bashing starts at the very top.

100% agree. You make a good point that if it was hate towards African Americans it would be torn down without hesitation but we cannot even get the government to recognize hate crimes when it comes to homosexuality.

I dont think your right about that? I recall several gey people (mostly men) that were murdered or beaten and the like and the people that were responsible (when found) were charged with hate crimes. I cant site specific incidents of this but if you doubt that Ill do the research later when I have the time. That wont be till Monday though I have a life and its fairly active on weekends when my g/f is off and my kids are here.I personally dont think that hate crime laws should be enacted.it seems to me that kicking someone ass for no reason aside from what color or if they prefer the same sex or any other bullshit reason is a crime to begin with. and murder is a crime as well. Why should anyone have special laws made just for them? I thought the point of all of it was that all men (and women) are created equal.I used to be one of the people that Im certain you hate. took me a long time to grow up and get over the bullshit in my head about gay guys being less human or something wrong with them but I never seemed to have a problem with lesbians.since the point of all of this is to be open and honest and truthful and see what comes from it I will tell you that it was never a church initiated view I had as I dont belive in God. cant think of a time I ever really did. so that didnt influence my thoughts in any way. I was simply stupid and immature. It took a personal experience for me to realize I was wrong about it all and that it doesnt change who someone is just because of who they prefer to have sex and relationships with. I do how ever agree with you that that site is sickening. If you want to hate then all you have to do is get to know the person and you can find so many valid reasons for it.Like I said I might be wrong about the laws protecting gays as specific legislation under hate crimes but Im pretty sure Im corect in that statement. If you care to discuss this more Im glad to do so, maybe one of us can educate the other? if ya prefer it pm meand we can discuss it in a private forum. Im not out to make anyone look stupid I do enough of that to myself in public and private

I have never seen that site before, but now that I have, I wish I hadn't. It's hard to believe that some people are so opposed to things that they'll go so far otu of their way to try to make other people feel bad and convince other people of their thoughts. I guess people will be themselves, but it is sad when being themselves involves hurting other people.

DestinPublished on 07-01-2005Zachary William Brown, 18, was charged with a hate crime after allegedly attacking a man Brown learned was gay. I realize thats not realy research and its not specific legislation on hat crimes being applied to protecting gay peope. but I only have a few minute and wanted to have SOMETHING here to back me up a bit.tolerance.org lists more and has some links to more stuff on it. I agree that most of these laws drafted are to protect for everythign but gay rights but not all. That site has break downs on hate groups for the entire U.S. by state if anyone cars to look up thier own home and see what all is active. I was suprised to see as many as I did in my area. Here you hear people talk about shit like that but I never really knew that there were registered groups here working against the basic right of life to be happy. Well aside from the Mormons I mean yes yes I know thats going tobring the wrath of the profits down on me making that statment, however this is a place for opinions and Iv done my reseach on them. perhaps in another thread more suited to it Ill get into that another time.

It's not really a mass of people hun. The majority of the followers are this Phelps man's family. They were here in Oklahoma this past Sunday. There was a huge protest in a church parking lot. Those jerks were stomping on the flag, waving their signs: "God hates FAGS!" "God hates America!" "Thank God for Katrina!" And other signs. They even had a sign with soldier bent over as though he were dead. They had a little kids with them. On our side there had to have been at least 400 people on Harley Davidson's (and getting pissed too...) not to mention there were people showing up in their military uniforms waving the flags from the Corps. Then of course you had just regular people. I loved seeing Oklahoman's stand together like that. It just shows so much unity amongst us. Those people finally left because we started crossing the street and chasing them off. There had to have been 1500 people there to their 7 or 8.I cannot begin to understand completely what you feel. I have a cousin who is gay and I was so upset when I found out these people were going to be here I decided I was going. Previously I had heard that they were in Chelsy protesting at a soldier's funeral and that sent me reeling even more. My sister told me to calm down, that you could see steam coming out of my ears. I agree with you..it's sickening.

Actually what i said about attacks on homosexuals not being on the hate crime list, I was a bit wrong. Some states DO have crimes against homosexuals (Meaning the reason the crime happened was because the person was homosexual) listed as a hate crime, but most states do not. Actually what I meant to say, and I should have been more clear, is that it's not federally accepted as a hate crime.

Sorry I should have been alittle more clear =-D. So yes there are some states that carry crimes against homosexuals as a hate crime, but many still do not.

As for asking for special rights, I don't think having it listed as a hate crime is really a special right. It's a law thats to help protect minorities. Certainly doesn't mean people will stop attacking homosexuals or black etc etc but they're going to be looking at a more hefty penalty for doing it.

I agree with him though hun. Murder is murder, period. Why do we need a special law that says you shouldn't kill a homosexual, or any other minority? Same thing goes for a jail time. In some states you get more jail time for killing someone who's a minority. Why should someone who kills a homosexual get more jail time for that than he would if he killed someone like me (who is not a minority)? I wish someone could explain to me how that is right. If you kill someone, you kill someone, you get jail time. Period. I don't care if you're a minority or majority...the last time I checked we were all just a bunch of humans walking around on a big rock called earth trying to find our way around.

I think the point behind hate crimes is actually to help eliminate hate. Guaranteed that when someone kills someone it's generally hate reguardless. But I think they are going after more of the radicals who kill people for a certain aspect than anything else, like black people, mexicans, homosexuals etc etc.I do understand your point and it deff has its validations. Someones skin colo, nationalityr or sexual orientation certainly doesn't make anyone more important. That I could not agree more with.I also think the reason for Hate crimes and such is actually more towards radical groups like KKK. By adding more jail time or what not it causes more damage to the organization.Again I agree on a person is a person reguardless of the death it's equal.

Hey sweetie *big hugs*, it makes me very angry that there are cruel people like that out there. What does the sexual prefrence of anyone have to do with anything? I don't understand it. And you're right, if the site was directed at anyone else other than homosexuals then it would be taken down and there would be charges filed. Why can't people understand that inside we're all the same? Sexual oriantation, color, whatever, we're all humans and we should all be treated as equals. I'm so infurriated(ms) right now since I've seen that site... I know it wont help but I'm so sorry that you have to be subjected to that type of bullshit.

In reply to: You make a good point that if it was hate towards African Americans it would be torn down without hesitation that's not true..

You make a good point that if it was hate towards African Americans it would be torn down without hesitation but we cannot even get the government to recognize hate crimes when it comes to homosexuality.JF is correct, that is not true. There are plenty of hateful neonazi (and similar) sites on line, that preach hatred toward all kinds of minorities. If they incite violence, they've crossed the line.Those American sites are a nuisance for places like Germany, where hate speech is illegal.> hate crimeExists in some states, but not other; not in Georgia, for instance."This site makes me ill" versus "This website actually makes me ill...": sounds like a distinction without a difference.

>JF is correct, that is not true. There are plenty of hateful neonazi (and similar) sites on line, that preach hatred toward all kinds of minorities. If they incite violence, they've crossed the line.

You have a point. Though if it was say towards African Americans I think it would take more notice and be under more pressures to be removed. I could be wrong though.

>Exists in some states, but not other; not in Georgia, for instance.

Agreed. I had to correct myself a few posts up over that. I over stated my comment, or if nothing else was not clear.

I guess all in all I just find it so redundant to have sites like that. They are not going to "change' people with actions like that, only infuriate people. Sorry but Anger generally don't change people, just pisses them off more.

Hateful demagoguery does, unfortuanately, often work, especially when people are under stress. When encomic times are tough, or you can't find a job, it's handy to have a scapegoat to blame.Unfortunately, people sometimes find scriptural justification for their hatred.

In reply to: Though if it was say towards African Americans I think it would take more notice and be under more pressures to be removed. I could be wrong though. sigh... you just had to bring back the wretched memories.

That site is beyond offensive. It hurts me to see that people could have such hate against innocent people who have done nothing to deserve it. Why does a person's sexual orientation matter at all. It does not affect these people in any way, yet the persecution they have is tremendous. The fact that they get little kids to hold up these signs, and even picket funerals sickens me. How could anyone have such a lack of respect for others?

Ya its a bit lame, I laughed at how pathetic the people with the signs were. I mean really how can anyone be so ignorant and stupid. If anything they are the ones who shall burn in hell and if God hates anyone its people like them. They seem to have overlooked love your neighbor and all that stuff. It didnt say love your neighbor as long as he isnt gay. Looks like their bible principles contradict themselves, they hear what they want to hear. I think America has taken this free speach bull shit too far, people shouldnt be forced to listen to them as they are in the streets with their signs and shit. If anything them doing that is taking away peoples freedom. People like them should have been arrested. If I went out in the streets with my friends with "fuck niggers" or "gass the jews" signs in nazi uniforms then I would be in a police car rather fast and those bastards should have been too. Not only were they bashing gay people they were bashing troups and 9/11, Im sure people who lost loved ones in 9/11 really wanted to hear that. All this policical correctness shit has gone too far.I partly agree with you on the hate crimes part. I get random people attacking me because of the music i listen to the way I look etc so where do you draw the line? Hate crime laws can often be a bad thing, say a white man hits a black guy because he is shouting abuse at him in the street whats stopping the black guy claiming it was a hate crime? And getting the other guy into more troubble than he would have first been in. Some people dont like differant people because they are ignorant and go out their way to make their lives shit. There are alot of people in this world who are horriable people and make life misserable for everyone else but one day they will get what they deserve.

I can see, to a point, how a site against homosexuals could be more overlooked than site geared towards racial hate, for instance. There is no sin in being a certain race, but some would argue that homosexuality is a sin. It's pretty sad when a church would back such expressions of despise, but then again I'm agnostic and don't have a whole lot of faith in the church as is.If all those people could change their negative outlook to positive, think how the world could be...

Depends wat church your talking about there are many churches to do with christianity and also I doubt that site is owned by the leader of the baptist church so I wouldnt say the church backs it at all they are just arogant ass holes. I hate baptists anyway, their views are screwed up and they are in your face about everything they dont ask they go out and shout about thir believes in the middle of town calling all to repentance. Also I think it was the baptists who kicked one of my moms friends out their church for becoming bankrupt, yeah what a great religion kick people out the church when they need it most.