Overexaggerating a little bit?

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As a Christian I've been taught and raised to respect Jews (of course everyone else) but like not say anything rude or do something bad because they are God's people. Abraham.

Would that all Christians agreed with you.Tom Lehrer had a funny song about each group hating another group, "and everybody hates the Jews".

Lol, yeah I heard about that.I know lots of Christians who would say they hate the Jews because they were the ones who crucified Jesus. That makes no sense but since that's what I've pretty much learned I keep that in mind. Not that I don't respect others but that's just a priority I guess.

Homicidal.possum- Regarding the word "pagan", it can mean someone with no religion, or it can also mean someone who practices a religion other than Christianity, Islam, or Judaism (especially polytheistic religions).

You learned that the Jews kill Jesus? Did I understand you correctly? Do you just sit there quietly while people spout such hateful drivel?And people wonder why I think organized religion sucks ass. If I could snap my fingers and just make it disappear, the world would be a far more civilized and compassionate place. Jesus failed. He failed very badly. If he came back and saw what's happened in the past 2000 years, he'd kill himself.

well it is a known fact in the christian religion that they did. and it's also apart of history(bible) if you will. and as far as jesus goes he didn't fail he came and did what he had to do and then the propchecies came true about his crucifiction. plus that was his soul reason of being on earth. he had to die for us, everyone of us. it's called the attonment it's what made repentence possible. sorry not trying to be a bigot or anything just stating some "facts" and what not. and as far as halloween goes i love it:P free candy.

The Romans killed him but technicaly the Jews did because were the ones who condemed him. And real Christians arent supposed to hate anyone (Even jews lol). People who give another religion shit saying they are bad are being hipocrites. Also hateing Jews for killing Jesus is bollocks its not like the Jews alive today did it. Its just like black people getting compensation for their ancestors slavery. The black people getting the money didnt have to do shit, it was their great great uncle jimmy who worked his ass off on the plantation who deserved the money but instead his ancestors get it for living in a world where racism is now a bad thing and highly frowned upon and have it easy comaired to him.

If you do research you will find that a lot of the 'so called religious ceremonies' are based on pagan festivals. And a pagan is not someone who doesn't have a religion.

sry i didn't mean to say that they should be hated or anything i'm not like that at all i have a jewish brother in-law so i'm cool with it.......but i guess it's been said that they will be put through things untill the very end:S

If you look back on history, you will see that Islamic terrorists are a field of daisies compared to the horrors Christians have brought upon the world. And there are stil people who think the Crusades were an amusing little adventure.Seeing how things turned out, the life of Jesus meant little, and His death meant even less. Things are no less screwed up than they would be had He never existed, and are arguably more screwed up. Sorry dude, your religion is a complete failure. Welcome to the club. So are all the others.Would you like to elaborate on the "original sin" thing? It sounds like a smear, a libel, against the whole human race.________________________________________________John Dominic Crossan wrote a book, Who Killed Jesus? : Exposing the Roots of Anti-Semitism in the Gospel Story of the Death of Jesus:In reply to:From Publishers WeeklyIn a book sure to generate both conversation and controversy, John Dominic Crossan, author of two well-regarded books on the historical Jesus, names the New Testament Gospels' insistence on Jewish responsibility for Jesus' death as Christianity's "longest lie." Crossan argues particularly against many of the theories posed in Raymond Brown's The Death of the Messiah. While Brown finds that many of the events in the stories of Jesus' last days are plausible historically, Crossan claims that almost none of the events are historical. According to Crossan, they are "prophesy historicized," accounts written by looking back at the Old Testament and other early materials and then projecting those prophecies on whatever historical events occurred. Because many of those early writers were persecuted by the Jewish authorities, they threw in a heavy dose of propaganda against the Jews. As Crossan aptly states, these gospels were relatively harmless when Christians were a small sect. When, however, Rome became Christian, those anti-Semitic narratives became, and continue to be, lethal. Well argued and highly readable, Who Killed Jesus? also includes an important epilogue stating Crossan's own faith perspectives on the divinity and resurrection of Christ. Scholars rarely go this far, yet such a confession provides another valuable entry into this fascinating material.It's amazing what people will believe that's written in a 2000-year-old book of dubious origin. That kind of credulity is what I disdain most about religious belief. People turn off their brains, and are happy about it.

well in christianity it's not this life you need to be worried about it the next life(heaven and eternal salvation) that we're worried about so it IS HE jesus christ that made that possible. and as far as crusades and muslims...it kinda seems like they're getting back at us now:S well the muslim extremests (not to be rude i have muslim friends). and the orginal sin what are you talking about? :S so confused, and just so you know i'm not trying to start anything with saying this, this is just what most christians believe as a whole. and i'm sorry you feel that religion screws everything up:S

Original sin...blechhh. What a ridiculous idea. Jesus died for nothing.So Eve gets blamed for picking the apple, and women as a group have to suffer for it forever. It's a veritable tide of compassion, isn't it? God leaves a tempting apple hanging around, tells the two living folks not to eat it, and has a complete nutty when they do. He's supposed to be omniscient? Most anybody would realize that that was a plan doomed to failure.> i'm sorry you feel that religion screws everything upI'm sorry that religion screws up so much. Just ask anyone on the losing side of persecution by some organized religion sect. I'm sorry so many people are so brainwashed that such a simple idea eludes them.Christianity as practiced is nothing more than a death cult. The people I've met who are Christian and "good" would have been just as good had they never encountered any religion. On the whole, Christians are at least as "bad" as anyone else. Going to church doesn't seem to improve people very much, as far as I can see.Secular humanists believe that we need to make our time on Earth count; we need to improve the lot of the human race in any way possible. Even though Jesus implored his followers to do good works, a lot of his adherents have not gotten the message. They have heaven on their mind, while their Jewish, Moslem, Hindu, atheist, etc. neighbors will suffer eternal torment in hell for not believeing the way they believe. What a bankrupt idea Christianity is. The arrogance is beyond measure.

ok so the church i go to isn't like any other christian church(lds) and the "orginal sin" is what we call a transgretion, meaning they didn't know right from wrong. secondly it was part of god's plan for them to eat the apple so they can have free agency to choose between right and wrong, and the apple is what let them decern what right and wrong is. without eating the apple god knew that the earth would not be populated because they were as little kids(innocent). and i don't think religion screws anything up for me personally. it's not brain washing if that's what they want to believe. and i'm also not saying that people that don't have a religion or die athiest or muslim or whatever they are, are going to hell. we(lds) church believe in what we call the spirit world a world for missionary work between heaven so the people can be taught the the gospel and have that chance to enter his kingdom. the only people that will suffer eternal torment as said in the scriptures, are people who knowingly do wrong, and knowingly denying the christ, BUT if you were never taught these things then you CANNOT be held accountable for things that have been done or said. i hope this is all making sense steveA. and i hope you're a bit open minded towards it...and that maybe just maybe there is a god and some grand plan, and i'll try and keep an open mind to your side of this as well k. but i'ld still like to believe and be safe then not to believe and be sorry later on if it is true. and i think this thread as just now been hi-jacked:S lol oh and sorry for not paragraphing too.:S oh and also steveA, i'm not trying to change the way you see things i'm just trying to let you see what, and why we believe the way we do.

the only people that will suffer eternal torment as said in the scriptures, are people who knowingly do wrong, and knowingly denying the christOK, so there are a few isolated native tribes who don't beleive as you do who won't go to hell. Since the U.S. is saturated with Christianity, all of your Jewish and Moslem neigbors are going to burn. You're asking me to have an open mind, and give nonsense like that a chance.> i hope you're a bit open minded towards itWhy is that among the first things invoked by people with idiotic ideas? Why don't you have an open mind, and consider that you may have been brainwashed with things that are not true? Since most people (in the U.S., at least) are born into a religion, who needs to have the open mind? Isn't it convenient that people (like you, I presume) are born into certain sects, and that's where they believe the truth is found? That's an odd standard for truth.Many of the things God is credited with doing in the Old Testament are hideous. Jesus might as well have died for His sins.> i'ld still like to believe and be safe then not to believe and be sorry later on if it is truePascal's wager. Integrity is tossed away so easily. You're willing to change what you believe is "true" out of fear of the consequences. But your fear doesn't change reality, and any god who's as petty as that, where independent thought is so frowned upon, is not worthy of any respect. Certainly not by people who are worthy of respect. "Believe what I beleive, or you're going to hell to burn forever!" Your "God" can kiss my ass.

steveA you like minipulating people's words too much to the way you want them to sound and act..so this is where i end my part in this discussion...it's been fun and thanks for the insights....or not...i guess.

its been my experience that its the ones that belong to various churches that are not open minded. Original sin, if I remeber that is when a baby is born of incest and is guilty of original sin and going to hell, correct? or am i thikning of somethign different?

lol not a clue....oh well i give up and trust me i'm not brainwashed or anything because i'm having a hard time believing in it myself right now;S

when I was very young i was forced togo church. after I was in about first grade my dad told me you dont want to go then dont go. I neve went back but even then I couldnt belive the sht they said. the whole thing I find obsurd. as a child of 6 years of age I felt bad for people standing there talkig to me about god says and god did. All I xould think is that they were nuts. I cant belive any of it and im the one thast told to have an open mind instead of the ones so deep into it that when presented proof they refuse to say wellmaybe I was wrong?

hey come on guys i have an open mind about it....i mean i haven't gone to church now for 6 months and i'm still struggling to see what's right and wrong....but i would like to believe in something...that there is something more grand then just being a human...:S i mean wouldn't that be kinda scary if there wasn't anything after we die?:S

i would like to believe in something...Why do you have to believe "something"? By "something", of course, you mean "something nice". However bad you want to believe what you want to believe, reality is what it is.> that there is something more grand then just being a human...:SWhat do all those ":S"es mean?The universe if far grander than all humans put together. If you study physics, you will be blown away by the grandeur of it all. Invoking a "God" just pulls the plug in intellectual inquiry. The answer to any "Why?" question then becomes "Because that's the way God designed it." If you try to dig deeper, you get something about the mind of God being a mystery. What a crock. I'd be more impressed if the bible told us how many dimensions the universe actually has. That some being just created everything diminishes it all.> i mean wouldn't that be kinda scary if there wasn't anything after we die?:SThere's that ":S" again.Just because something is scary doesn't make it untrue. You can't just will fantasy into existence because the alternative seems unpleasant. There's not a shred of evidence to thing that anything is there once a person dies and brain activity ceases. To me, it's no big deal. I don't believe any of that foolishness, and I'm not afraid of death.