Abortion

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The comment has been made that a foetus is its mother's body. I'd just like to point out that biologically, it is not. It has different chromosomes. It may even be a different sex.

Thats true, but the fetus is still in a womans body- not a mans. Therefore it should be our choice- if you want a baby work it out with a surrogate mother. Else find a way to carry it yourself

I'm against abortion. For all the girl knows, she could be killing the person that was going to cure cancer or invent a longer lasting lightbulb or something.

The key to avoiding that is prevention. Use a condom, use birth control, use the day after pill. If you do that, then it is extremely likely you don't have to worry about getting pregnant.If I'm a sperm and IDodge the condomGet through the spermicideBypass the effects of birth controlAm able to swim through tougher mucous : The day after pillCan find the egg and fertilize itAll those obstacles should be at least awarded with a chance to live, right?

sigh we are never going to agree are we?I think we should just agree to disagree b/c I normally like and respect your posts. I think you are severly wrong with this issue. Please remember I personally would never have an abortions- I just believe in free choice. Thats my opinion, and I'll try and respect yours. okay?

LMAO!!! I agree to disagree with you. shakes handSo much for my post a long time ago saying that I'd never be able to change anyone elses thoughts and I'd stop right there.... I think that was 15 posts ago. lol.

Spermy- the poem:Slips by the condom and over the sideBypasses Birth Control & SpermicideBattles through Mucous and the Day-After-PillFinds the eggs; and exerts its mighty WillLife for the Mighty SPERM!(I couldn't help it- it was just to easy! lol)

lol. Congrats. You just made a great pro-life poem. You have a thing for making my words into poems don't you?

I guess so- I don't know why, but you seem to inspire me! lol

lmao. That's funny considering the things I inspire you with. tight pussy and sperm. Just noticed your sig a couple of posts ago too. lol

I intend to post much more later, but I haven't got the time. Let me first address a narrow subject: In reply to: The comment has been made that a foetus is its mother's body. I'd just like to point out that biologically, it is not. It has different chromosomes. It may even be a different sex This is not determinative to the question of whether the fetus is part of the womans body. Both gametes and chromosomally damaged tissue have unique genetic codes... The distinction is too broad... I'm out of time. Later...

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What about guys who have sex with many women and have many babies? Aren't they just as responsible for the "abortion problem?"

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Yes

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you're only a teenager, what the hell do you know about having a soulmate?

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What's your definition of soulmate? Considering my definition, most people never find their soulmate.

soulmates have to be just alike? That would be terribly boring. I mean, a lot in common is really good, but the same is bad.

I sure as hell wouldn't date me!!!

A soulmate (I've found mine) is one who takes you for you, who God designed for you (back to the whole Square penis seeks square vagina thing), and who appreciates you for you...oh yeah, and will love you forever.

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I sure as hell wouldn't date me!!!

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LMAO!!! Shows that you're no narcissist.

I'm too bullheaded to date someone as bullheaded as me!!!!

Agreed.

I’ve certainly had a taste of controversy in the Confederate flag forum, so I thought I’d post a little something in a less controversial thread (like abortion ). Anyway, the following post is intended both as an informative post and also as an argument that Roe v. Wade should be overruled (even though I am pro-choice). The post is long, but not comprehensive by any stretch of the imagination.If you don’t like long posts, and if you’re not interested in actual abortion laws in the US, then the following post will not appeal to you. Otherwise, if you have strong views on abortion, you should try your best to learn about the actual legal issues (in addition to the moral and scientific issues); you’ll make a much better pro-life or pro-choice advocate if you know the state of the law.Finally, if you already know all of this, I’m not trying to patronize; I’m just donating what information I have to the A2A forums Background:As all of you probably know, Roe v. Wade prohibited some forms of abortion regulation by the states. Let me be clear about the holding of Roe, as I’m not sure that everyone knows the whole truth. Roe essentially held that (1) states are not allowed to restrict abortion in the first trimester; (2) States may only regulate abortion in the second trimester to protect the mothers’ health; and (3) States may regulate the third trimester but must allow abortions for medical reasons. Roe was derived from the “right to privacy,” which was derived from the “Due Process” clause of the 14th amendment. Roe is also not the most recent Supreme Court abortion case. Current Constitutional abortion law is embodied by the entire Roe line, ending with Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which abandoned the trimester approach and held that “…a State may not prohibit any woman from making the ultimate decision to terminate her pregnancy before viability.” Without getting into the details of that line of cases, I’ll just say that the current state of the law is that we cannot vote on abortion; it’s a right mandated by the Constitution through the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the 14th amendment. The Factual Foundations of Roe and its Progeny:The Supreme Court recognized in Planned Parenthood v. Casey that the issue of when “life begins” is crucial to the abortion debate, but the Court also acknowledged that there is neither a religious nor a scientific consensus about this question. However, the Court has held that a fetus does not fall within the Constitutional definition of “person.”To further elaborate on the scientific aspect of this issue, it’s doubtful that science alone could ever provide an answer to the “beginning of life question.” In my opinion, every allegedly scientific definition of “living human being” and “the beginning of life” created for the abortion debate has been either underinclusive or overinclusive, and they tend to prove nothing more than one’s semantic abilities. Regarding the religious aspect of this debate, many Protestant denominations and Judaism (for the most part) hold that life begins at birth. Other Protestant faiths and the Catholic faith hold that life begins at conception. It’s an open question…The Legal Foundations of Roe and its Progeny:As I previously said, Roe is based on the “Right to Privacy” found in the 14th amendment. If you have a Constitution handy, and if you peruse the 14th amendment, you’ll probably note that the word “privacy” does not appear. In fact, many of our “Constitutional Rights” are implied rather than explicit. The rights implied from the “Due Process” clause of the 14th amendment, including privacy, have created some very complicated and heated legal debates (I’m certainly not an expert on this, so I won’t try to write a treatise on the subject). Anyway, if you have neither the time nor the desire for a Constitutional Law class, you can just take the following assertion on faith (Steppen wouldn’t lie, right?). My assertion is that it wouldn’t undermine the Constitutional “right to privacy” if abortion was not included in this right. Specifically, an abortion necessarily includes a doctor, and so it’s not the same sort of privacy found in some of the earlier cases (regarding contraceptives, for instance). Furthermore, it wouldn’t be all that horrible if the “right to privacy” simply weren’t implied from the Constitution at all gasp. After all, the word “privacy” is nowhere to be found in the Constitution, and if people want a “right to privacy” then we can pass an Amendment. Why I would Drop Roe: I would exclude abortion from privacy (or remove privacy, period) because the core factual questions are extremely contentious, and because the Constitutional Right is very flimsy and contrived. Considering this flimsiness and contentiousness, it seems appropriate to allow democratic deliberation on the issue. Let the people debate it and vote on it! Overruling Roe doesn’t mean that we make abortion illegal; it only means that each state can vote on the issue and make their own laws according to the will of the people.

I agree with the last paragraph whole-heartedly. Sectional lines make great divides for political and religious views (hints the "Bible Belt"). I think stuff like this as well as gay rights should be left up to the people of each state to decided.

If Texas votes no abortions and Cali. says yes, move to Cali or go there for one.

I knew the general of most of what was said. In fact, I'm taking my American Government final on Wednesday. Anyways...The glory of the United States constitution is that it can change according to the times. That is why a lot lot lot is implied by the constitution, but is not literally written. (not literally written in the constitution, there's a word for that! Grrr, what is it, final is coming up!)Okay, so in the time of Roe vs. Wade technology in the area of contraceptives was not as far as it is today. In this case, things need to be changed!This also goes for the cyberspace laws. The first laws were passed several years ago before the internet was as developed as it is today.Today is an everchanging world that needs to change to keep up.