I'm not willingly, but if a girl got accidently pregnant and i turned out to be a boy I wouldn't desert her, and that kid and getting his wanger chopped. :angry: :smirk:
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but if a girl got accidently pregnant and i turned out to be a boyThe second part necessarily follows the first part.You mean, if you got a girl pregnant, and she decided to continue the pregnancy,...
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Obviously, and that would be after we seriously considered Abortion and Adoption options. And now don't everyone start yelling about how abortion is wrong.
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And now don't everyone start yelling about how abortion is wrong. If you're not having kids, you're letting a lot of baby batter go to waste...some might consider that wrong in and of itself.
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Well...a buddy of mine just had a son and the doc asked if they wanted a circ - they chose to have him cut. And the cost, not covered by insurance, about $650....
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Now covered my insurance? Wow. When my Brothers were born the insurance covered it.
Wonder if this is a common thing insurance doens't pay or if it was just their insurance. (meaning their insurance might not have been that great of coverage to begin with)
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OK, they actually did not do the circumcision without permission. During the time that the mother registers at the hospital, one of the forms that is usually completed (in the US) is the permission/request to circumsize. It is just part of the standard package of forms you fill out. Unless your really reading everything they put in front of you, you would miss that you signed it.Now, I am a little more angry because I actually stated to my wife that I did not want our son circumsized, but she signed the form any way. It is still a debated issue at our house and my son is 22 years old.
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How does your son feel about it?
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was your wife in labour when she signed the form? LOL
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My son has said he is OK with it. But his reaction is based on not really having a choice and the fact that pretty much everyone he knows is cut. Including me. (Don't think he has ever seen my dad nude, so don't think he even really knows what he doesn't have). No, it was signed either before she went into the hospital (with all the preliminary forms) or the day after he was born (when they do it). I was never clear which it was.
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its a horrible thing for them to do without getting verbal consent...........i would be just as furious as you were, its disgracful, circumcision isn't the norm over here, so thankfully its not an issue.
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Yes. But I think my actual point got missed. Permission was given. It was in writing. They actually cannot do a circumcision without permission. It is the mother that has to give the permission (generally), because she is the one who had the baby. Dad's input is to the mother. Mom is the one who signs the form to say yes or no. They don't just do it. They have to have authorization. So.. permission was given in writing at some point. Probably when the mother registered at the hospital to have the baby. Or on some form they brought to her the day after. Different hospitals do it differently as to when they get the OK. But they get it or they don't do it.
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In reply to: I have decided if I have children and boys of course i'll have them cut, just my personal choice Why would you want to deny your son a part of his sexual organ (and cause him pain)? You can't possibly know what you're missing since you yourself were circumcised at birth.You say it's your choice, but it's HIS penis, not yours; what if his choice is to have a foreskin and not have it amputated?SwingCat here's another link for information on circumcision in US: http://www.livejournal.com/users/wreckingboy/318545.html
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I say this because in my opinion it's more clean and appearance wise I think a cut penis looks better. Now before you bash remember this is just MY opinion. I am very happy my parents decide to have me cut.
I see the points people make about letting him decide as he gets older. Yet on the otherside if it's going to be done I'd rather it be done when a child where you won't remember the pain.
Plus in the USA being cut is the norm and I know how kids teased boys in the locker room who were uncut when I was growing up and my younger brothers say that still goes on.
There are pros and cons with every situation (Boy does that sound like a broken record)
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I see the points people make about letting him decide as he gets older. Yet on the otherside if it's going to be done I'd rather it be done when a child where you won't remember the pain.How does forcing it on him as a child give him any choice later?And to go over the same ground again, it is not a given that circumcision is not traumatic to the infant, whether or not he remembers the actual even when he gets older. In fact there is good evidence (which I posted a while ago) to the contrary.
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Oh Steve not getting into this debate with you again. Sorry not being drug into it.. re-read everything I said in our past debate and you'll have my responses.
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For the benefit of anyone who wasn't around for those edifying discussions...
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When I was growing up I thought being uncut was the norm. Anytime I saw a cut penis I thought they had a problem or something. I thought I was the normal one and they all were different from me. So yea, it didnt bother me at all.