Losing employment due to tobacco use?

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I belive that, I know its bad shit, I also know it HAS been scientiically proven that both are bad for you. I wont argue against the fact they both will kill ya eventually. I simply dont want to quit. I like smoking, I dont even smoke full time. I go thru a pack about once every two days unless im out at the bar drinking then I go thru a pack in a few hours. I quit several times a year for major trips I know what im doing and I accept it. You said people are already looing for a reason to not listen, I dont need a reason, I belive the evidence I simply choose to ignore it.

Who the fuck started this thread anywas?? was it jsut to get smokers pissed ?
what I want to know is are they a smoker and what do they think about this shit instea of jsut puttig it out here to sit back an watch us kick each other in the nuts over it, they need to be involved in this argument, aside from starting it I mean.

Whenver you see this phrase in an article aimed at the public, your should be skeptical.Sorry I have to laugh because all you talk about is science and you have something that is "scientifically proven" and now you are fighting against it. It seriusly made me chuckle. Just goes to prove even with scientific evidence to back me up you will still debate it LOL.>That may very well be true...It IS true you mean. Read all the studies and such i listed above.>In any case, the important thing is that there is overwhelming evidence that first-hand smoke and second-hand smoke are both very bad for people and other living things. That's very true. First hand or second hand smoke, though second hand smoke is more deadly, is harmful for everyone and why it should not be in a public setting where others who do not smoke have to breath it in causing us harm.

Whenver you see this phrase in an article aimed at the public, your should be skeptical.> Sorry I have to laugh because all you talk about is science and you have something that is "scientifically proven" and now you are fighting against it. It seriusly made me chuckle. Just goes to prove even with scientific evidence to back me up you will still debate it LOL.Man, you just don't get it. When people throw around the phrase "scientifically proven", they are usully full of crap; in other words, what they are talking about has not been "scientifically proven". I don't think that a scientist would even use that phrase.> It IS true you mean. Read all the studies and such i listed above.I read the Web pages. One of them, the one you quoted, was apparently written by a doctor, who used the phrase. Were there footnotes to a body of studies that I missed?This is what I mean about arguing about things you know little about. Why do you always jump into scientific topics with pseudo-scietific stuff that you think is science? You're just muddying the waters. And you r-e-a-l-l-y like to argue.

I don't like to argue but I do like to set things straight. Again here you go with you High School bully mentality.

You want facts I gave them and you say they are not good enough. THIS is why debating anything with you is impossible because either way you think you have to be right and belittle people... which BTW you did in your last post. Way to be mature Steve.

Take this as me arguing if you want. I don't really care.

Remember... Tobacco doesnt mean just cigarettes. It can be cigars.. hookah...

Hookah is better for you then a 20 minute jog in LA :wink: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

> I don't like to argue but I do like to set things straight. Again here you go with you High School bully mentality.

I don't know who I'm bullying, but you are certainly among the top arguers to have ever found this site. The "set things straight" rationalization is an excuse for every argument, everywhere, at all times. "I don't like to argue." Give me a break.

> You want facts I gave them and you say they are not good enough.

I've pretty well beaten this to death. You are unwilling or unable to get it. I give up.

> belittle people

Hold up a mirror and gaze into it. What do you see?

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FaBMX> Remember... Tobacco doesnt mean just cigarettes. It can be cigars.. hookah...

I presume the company's smoking ban applies to everything. Just being in LA and breathing the air is probably bad for you, but there are "legitimate" reasons for being in LA. There is no legitimate reason to smoke (pleasure is not considered legitimate), according to the company's president. Or whatever reason there is to smoke is far outweighed by its cost.

I don't know who I'm bullying, but you are certainly among the top arguers to have ever found this site. but the crown goes to you steve............eddie isn't even close to winning that one.

Your defense is faint. Are you saying that someone who kills a few people is not so bad, compared to a real serial killer? He sometimes argues about things I wouldn't even think of arguing about. He is a world-class arguer. There's no way to sugar coat it: he argues a lot."I don't like to argue but I do like to set things straight."That is a classic! Maybe I'll make it my tag line.

hey don't get all defensive............i was just joking around.............i forgot the smiley................sigh

Yes, but taking it literally, without the greamlin, I'd wager that he is close. Definitely in the top rank.In any case, I wasn't relly defendinding myself, was I?

I have to agree with SteveA about being skeptical when seeing "scientifically proven". Look at infomercials for those useless health products, where everything is "scientifically proven" to be effective (although, this is tricky, because effective can be interpreted different ways. A diet pill might help you burn 10 extra calories after each meal, which technically is "effective" .but yould you think it is?)Researchers often tend to exaggerate claims. They can receive more grants to further study the claims. While it may be true that secondhand smoke is more damaging to health, the majority of "secondhand" smoke that people are exposed to is the filtered smoke that is exhaled by the smoker, not the smoke trailing from the end of the cigarette.Back to the original question, I can see some valid points as far as worker health concerns go, but for the most part I don't think it's fair. Some people only smoke every so often (when drinking, et cetera), so I don't think it would be fair to fire someone like that when it's not really any more detrimental to their health than breathing the air in some large cities.As mentioned earlier, skiing,and activities as such could be considered high risk. Walking around some parts of cities is high risk. Should people be fired if their calorie intake is too high, because they might become obese and unhealthy?The only time I smoke indoors is maybe at a bar, or other "recreation" center where it's allowed. I smoke in my car, but only if I am by myself, or if the person riding with me smokes. I only smoke in other people's cars if they smoke as well. If I smoke outside in a pubic place, I don't smoke where there are a lot of people, so I am not blowing smoke all over them.

Well you can be fired for other things like your apperance, those are personal choices. Employers can discriminate against anyone they want as long as it hasnt been deemed not policaly correct to do so yet.

Smoking wherever is so simple for me ... if I'm in my friends car I ask if I can smoke (unless I know I can/can't) .... if I'm in any public place, I'll smoke, I don't give a shit if other people like it, get over it. Go somewhere else.

Company To Workers: Light Up And You're FiredPOSTED: 12:55 pm PST December 10, 2005MARYSVILLE, Ohio -- Quit smoking, or you're fired.That's what Scotts Miracle-Gro is telling its employees. If they don't quit smoking by October, they'll lose their jobs.The lawn and garden company is trying to keep health insurance costs down by promoting healthy lifestyles for its employees.Its chairman and chief executive, James Hagedorn, said the company shouldn't have to shoulder health risks for employees who smoke. It pays for 75 percent of employees' health insurance.The Ohio-based company has 6,000 employees. It said it can fire smokers legally in 21 states.Workers who smoke can get free counseling, nicotine patches and classes on quitting.A spokesman said the company hasn't yet decided how it will enforce the smoking ban.