Is it neccessary?

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In reply to:I lost my wallet a little while ago and my girlfriend has been paying for me since! I'm not feeling too guilty because she earns more than me =(. LMAO, im not really sure if this was a joke or anything, but its hilarious. I will use that from now on.

i once went out with a guy and he payed for everything which made me feel really uncomfortable. i think first date or whatever i can handle if he pays but after that i like to keep it equal. i like it when we can just split the bill, makes things a lot easier.

yeah I kind of understand what you guys are getting at. It's still kind of confusing because the guy will be on his laast bill and still pay for you or he'll be sicker than a dog and still want to carry your stuff but when you offer to help he's like "no no I got it." I don't know I guess it's just me. It just seems kind of weird or wrong. One of those w words. ohnotagain < you've got some pretty harsh words dude. I'd rather not have the thought that every guy watches porn... that's kind of um...yeah

...but if we don't at leat offer to pay or help then girls will say we are jerks. so guys just can't win.girls complaine when we try to help and when we don't. Is she don't want me to pay it's fine with me at least i offered it. same for helping... this moring..not early but.. nvm.. but i whent over to my gf's house and she was int he barn cleaning her stall. now i could have stood at the stall door and just talked to her but i can't do that. lol i grabbed another shovel and helped. (help as in i helped her not did the work for her.) In reply to: I'd rather not have the thought that every guy watches porn... he can speak only for hiself.. i don't like watching porn.

Yeah it has to do with this thing where people are never satisfied :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

That's nice to know actually, porn creeps me out itself. Sort of like eh. Spazz

ive got a friend, and her b/f (who is quite rich) just buys her everything including designer clothes - i would personally hate that in a relationship - a relationship to me is all about equalness and at the end of the day im not the kind of girl who wants to feel like a princess 24/7 lol i just kinda think its wrong but treats now and then are always good.

Ah! See that's a little bit over doing it just a teensy bit you know? I wouldn't mind that much but that'd make me feel really guilty.

Well thats because her boyfriend is what us normal guys call.....whipped. but i agree with what cr125 said. With most girls its like you cant win. Why cant i find more women out there like the women in this forum. WHERE ARE YOU ALL HIDING?!?!?!? lol

No girl that I've gone out with have really been turned down at my insisting that I pay for stuff. Sometimes it gets them more comfortable with me, but I can see what you all are saying.

Errm... no.there is a misunderstanding, I must have not been clear.no comma between "porn" and "predominantly." It shoudl be read as, "the type of porn that most guys watch(meaning heterosexual porn-cause I'm sure there are guys on here who like gay man butt sex porn)." What I meant was, if there is a nakid girl being stared at by a guy, he is objectifying her. He means not to interact socially with her, but just to use her image for his pleasure. I didn't mean that I watch porn. I meant to make a connection between males being object-oriented, and women used as sexual objects. I figured it was an easy enough demonstration of how men really are "object-oriented." If females were more object-oriented, they would be more interested in porn, as well.If anyone else read that wrong, then I apologize. peace

ok, I gotcha.

I feel the same way you do. I think it SOOO stupid for the guy to pay all the time! like SHUT UP. im a girl so what, i have money and i work so why can't i pay sometime. I think its cool if a girls pay. I paid for guys b4 and it would bug them but i tell them; that i feel its right for me to pay sometimes. Like i have a job that why i got a job to pay for myself, and guys do all these nice things for us, and paying is one of them, and sometimes you jsut wanna show them that what they do, we really see and notice them for doing. and sometime we wanna show them we can be nice and think of them to. so i think it's fine for a girl to pay! its like a girl having the guts to ask a guy out! JUST BECUASE WERE GIRLS don't mean we can't do what guys do! =)

The problem is that some girls do expect the guy to pay, and it's hard to find a polite way to ask her ahead of time what she wants to do, so guys usually take the easy way out and just pay.

Yep, its not til further on that you feel comfortable enough to ask her if she cares if he pays or not.

Yeah that's why I sometimes go "oh I got this don't worry about it" and he'll just give that sheepish grin. I hate that grin. Why do guys take things so literal though? Last time I did something nice for him he thought I was saving up a storm for me losing a bet on some Yankees game.

I'm the kind of guy who pays for dinner, opens your car door and closes it behind you, holds doors open, etc.If we're dating, I'll pull your chair out, cook dinner for you every so often, run you a bath, etc.The way I feel about it: If you don't like that kind of thing then tough. Deal with it. If you're a female and you want to hang out with me, expect that kind of thing. I hang out with both types (those who love it and those who hate it). Those who hate it have learned to let me do as I please and those who love it take pleasure in the whole thing.And a little tip to the guys in the room. Be respectful, say yes sir, yes ma'am, hold open doors, keep upbeat, and pretty soon you've got all kinds of moms trying to hook you up with their daughters. lol.

Things are a bit more traditional in your neck of the woods than they are in New York City.

I guess us Georgia folks are much better with manners and chivalry, haha. :wink: I haven't lived anywhere else, so I wouldn't know about people in other areas.

Exactly steve. Maybe a limo driver will open a door once in a while I kid, they're most people who still act that way.It's not so much that I hate it. It's just nowadays or at least where I am you see couples treating each other like dirt, don't have a care in the world and some boyfriends act like their girlfriends are their twice removed step sister. So it's a bit uncommon or surprising at times to see someone doing that sort of "thing".

True. Even down here it's starting to become uncommon, though.