An Obama Presidency would be a disaster!!

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Hi Everyone!! I hope you're OK. I'm just going to say it. An Obama Presidency would turn out to be a DISASTER. IN MY OPINION - OF COURSE!!I would - therefore [IF I were an American] cast my vote for Hilary Clinton. She is anti-Bush. [No less so than Obama is] She knows how the system works. [Far better than Obama does] And she already has international credibility. [Of which Obama has next to none] Barack Obama - on the other hand - is charming and he appeals to those who are sick and tired of George Bush. But beyond not being George Bush - what exactly is Obama offering?! Some say, "He would 'change' things!!" Well... I'm sure he would. But 'change' isn't always for the better. And chances are - with Barack Obama as President - 'things' would come to a screeching HALT in the U.S. And seriously - do you really REALLY think that all of those people who are now profiting from the war in Iraq and elsewhere are going to sit back and allow Obama to put an immediate end to it all'? Not a chance. And that will be his FIRST most glaring failure. And then - of course - you'll hear all sorts of accusations about how WHITE congressmen are 'racists' and purposefully being uncooperative. And on it will go. Let me tell you something - when you're trying to get a bone from a dog - you don't just yank on that bone as hard as you can. You have to take your time. Pat him and praise him and ease the bone out of his mouth. It is that philosophy that I believe Clinton understands and Obama does not. As an aside....I felt a shiver go up my spine when I saw Ted Kennedy [And a few other Kennedy's] standing behind Obama during one of his many speeches. "Holy Cow!!" - I thought to myself - "Are we about to experience yet another 'Bobby Kennedy' tragedy'?!" I - for one - am not sure I would want the Kennedy's backing me up. [Given their 'luck']ALSO...Would Americans [The media - in particular] criticize [Or make 'fun of'] a black President in the exact same way they have already criticized and made 'fun of' all previous Presidents? I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people [On the radio mostly - and not just those 'calling in'] accuse others who have merely questioned whether or not Obama would make a good President as being RACISTS!! Would SNL or MadTV [Or Leno or Letterman] take jabs at a President Obama as freely as they might some other President? This may sound like a non-issue to some of you - but I think it's a BIG DEAL. If the media feels as though it better walk on egg-shells when dealing with a President Obama - then it might keep Americans from getting the 'real story'. That should keep you busy for awhile!! lolGREAT BIG HUGCraig!!

I had a conversation the other day with a friend on my campus about Hillary becoming the next president, and he made an interesting point. I have no idea if there are any rules or customs that would avoid this so dont flame me if I show my ignorance, I just thought it was interesting-Most Middle Eastern countries view women as objects, and some men in those cultures sometimes refuse to even look at women, let alone talk to them. How would that affect diplomatic stuff with Hillary? Would they mock her, or refuse to meet her in person, etc? Im just curious as to how that works.

That's funny, me an my best friend were talking about the Hillary thing too! Like, the men don't take women seriously.Or maybe Hillary would prove a point that women can be powerful and change their veiws? I don't know...

First off let me say I'm a republican (and no I don't care what anyone says, hit me with your best shot).Second, I do not care to have Barrack Obama in office. Not because he's black or any type of that racial b.s. I believe a black president could do this country justice just as well as white president provided he's out for the people and not himself. I do NOT want a president who absolutely refuses to salute the American flag or give it the respect it deserves. If you want to take your oath by placing your hand on the Koran instead of the Bible be my guest but be aware our country was founded on Christian principles, not Islam. I'm all for freedom of religion but to refuse to salute the American flag and respect that it is a symbol for those who have died defending this country giving people like him the right to NOT salute is utter bullshit. That in and of itself should be a reason for him to pay the flag homage.Third, I do not particularly care for Hillary Clinton. I had eight years of her when her husband was in office. I do not care for another four to eight.Fourth, as far as my opinion on Bush, well, there's not much to say there. I think he cowers behind his title of President. And I do not support cowards and it's hard to respect a man of his position who hides behind his oval office.My problem is I'm tired of these presidential candidates who talk about change and then are elected into office and really do nothing different from anyone else. It's irritating and flat out disheartening. I'm tired of hearing of these jerks telling me what I want to hear.Quite frankly, what I hear a lot about is cutting the tax breaks for big businesses or bad mouthing of the way Bush has run things. I personally think tax break across the board would be beneficial. I have my own opinion about why big business gets their breaks. Lower income familes get government aid such as housing, foodstamps, welfare, etc. People who don't have jobs can sometimes draw unemployment depending on certain things. Middle income tax brackets are the ones who usually end up getting screwed and continue to get screwed whether our President is Democrat or Republican. So my personal opinion is give me a damn president that doesn't talk out their butt more than 10% of the time. And another thing, instead of badmouthing my president which doesn't give you extra cool points Senator Clinton, or badmouthing another candidate (also Senator Clinton and I believe the rest of the Presidential candidates) why doesn't someone take the high road and be the better person and talk about what you CAN do as president instead of making empty promises? I grow wary of the endless banter and politic-ing. Cowboy up and and run a race that's worth talking about.One more thing, I'm not saying Bush has done a great job, but instead of badmouthing why don't these potential presidents spend more time showing us than running their mouths at 90 mph?Just my two cents, maybe Hillary would be a good president, however, for someone who says the past is the past and we need to move on, she spends an awful lot of time living in it. Reflect on the past? Yes. Learn from it? Yes. Dwell on it? I think not.

Originally Posted By: RadecklBush sends Condoleezza Rice to those countries and she doesn't seem to have a lot of problems communicating with Middle Eastern men. Well, that's cause she's intelligent and dignified, unlike...y'know...

i dont like EITHER president, (i think people from the older times were the most intelligent and we should take after them, benjamin franklin, einstein, etc.) but im not gonna stand by and not say my peace if i have something that im able to say.

First off, hilary isnt fucking great! Shes a women who (im not a male shovinistic pig, shit i was raised by a feminist) every1 WANTS to see come up because she is a women, and she will be the first female president! .... Likewise with fuckin barack obama! every1 wants to see him be president cause it'll be the first black president,

frankly tupac predicted his own death, and that of a few others, predicted the war with iraq long before it even happened, and he also said that the U.S. cant and will not be able to have a black president, for reasons unnamed, anyways...

When it comes down to presidency wise, barack has been setting the pace for hilary, everytime he comes out and starts on a new topic, there goes hilary trailing behind him, riding the band wagon,

after her first couple of campaigns failed, she saw him doing good and jocked him...

WHAT FUCKING EXPERIENCE DOES SHE HAVE?! her husband is an ex president, she is so stupid and neive that she let her own husband go behind her back... in there own home! WHILE SHE WAS THERE!!! and cuz got brain from one of his secretarys! if she let that happen in her own home, what will she let happen in her country?

as far as barack obama, i dont really trust him, cause his name aint mother fuckin a black name... come on now OBAMA! have u ever fuckin heard of a black man named barack, or obama! Is cuz like half iraqi? damn... thats one reason why i dont trust him

Obama subtract the B add an S Osama.... too close for comfort...

i dont like either fuckin president, but u shouldnt bash one dude for no good reason, only thing u named bad about obama was that he was "BLACK" and would be getting special treatment...

TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT HILARY IS A WOMEN! dont you think she would get special treatment cause if she doesnt every1 is going to point and yell "Male shovinistic pig! oh your sexist! oh, yada yada bullshit"

Why I am voting for obama has nothing to do with him being black, if your voting for someone based on sex or race, your a fucking pig who shouldnt be allowed to vote, likewise for those voting AGAINST someone for race or gender. I got about ten minutes before Im outta here for the weekend so I dont got time to go into this shit now, trust me Ill have a screen full of shit to type on politics come monday or tuesday when I get time to get back here.I do want to say though youhave no idea what your talking about, you dont research, your basing it on personal opinions like billarys hubby getting blown, or the b an s bullshit.and adding in tupac as a physic? Fuck I hpe your never allowed to cast a vote in an election in this coutry.

i never said u should vote for someone depending on skin or sex! maybe you should read mang. i do research and i've been following the election lightly, im 17 and i dont plan on voting. my vote make a difference? psh right... what difference is that, life is still going to be hard, shit is still gna be difficult what can my vote do to change my struggles day by day...

and Sir... THIS WHOLE POST IS BASED ON PERSONAL FUCKING OPINION! but here are some facts spelled out for you...

Clinton DID GET HEAD, IN HIS OFFICE, BY ONE OF HIS EMPLOYEES! admitted it himself...

Obama IF YOU DO SWITCH OUT B FOR S IT DOES SAY Osama. see...

Osama... Obama... subtract the B replace with S Osama...

There have been tons of prophets in this world, just because YOUR FUCKING OPINION is to not believe in prophets, or god, or jesus, allah, buddha, whoever it is people wanna pray to. does not mean that they arent REAL...

if someone walks into your room with a butcher knife, and u cower under the blankets, close your eyes and pretend there not there... does that make them disappear? No... you are simply hiding from the factious things in this world that you are choosing to avoid and put off, because of personal opinions and experiences...

come monday and type me a full screen worth of politics, ill read, damn near memorize it, then formulate a response accordingly, hopefully i also learn a thing or two from your post.

And as far as me never casting a vote in this country is completely fine... I dont WANT to vote, and no one can make me...

but for putting down my intelligence, i sincerely hope that you are never elected to have a true debate with someone, cause you obviously cant tell the difference between matter of fact, and personal opinions...

in the word of a somewhat video game nerd... Good game, and you got pwned... Have a nice weekend.

is that so? damn... well i dont know about that, but im not going to necessarily say that its a lie... i dont really care too much about the presidents, in the hood there arent too many things being done to better it... i mean i want a president whos going to say that guns will be completely destroyed and removed from the US... what purpose is Hunting? a sport? come on now... u want a gun sport, go play paintball...a president whos going to crack down on ALL drugs, cept medical marijuana if u have ur card... but where im from, if ur caught with coke or weed, the cops juss take it, and say that if they catch u again there going to arrest u, i've even seen cops later SMOKING what was taken from my friend...theres juss alot of fucked up things in this country that i havent seen presidents addressing...but it is my own personal opinion, and frankly i dont care, let hilary come in, legalize pornography and underage sex, i dont care... juss let me do my own and im straight....

The issue that in the Middle East a woman head of state wouldn't be taken seriously was raised thirty years ago when Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister of Britain. It turned out to be no problem at all.Be assured that whoever is the President of the United States is going to be taken seriously by the rest of the world, whether liked or disliked.

I told myself I would never post in a political thread, but here I go! Quote:WHAT FUCKING EXPERIENCE DOES SHE HAVE?! her husband is an ex president, she is so stupid and neive that she let her own husband go behind her back... in there own home! WHILE SHE WAS THERE!!! and cuz got brain from one of his secretarys! if she let that happen in her own home, what will she let happen in her country?So, because her marriage hit one heck of a bump, that justifies her being unqualified for being president? That makes just as much sense as a book on how to read.  Quote:as far as barack obama, i dont really trust him, cause his name aint mother fuckin a black name... come on now OBAMA! have u ever fuckin heard of a black man named barack, or obama! Is cuz like half iraqi? damn... thats one reason why i dont trust him He's African-American, plain and simple. And what's wrong with someone from being from the Middle East? You do know that most of the 9/11 terrorists where from Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia doesn't equal Iraq and Middle East doesn't mean everyone is a friggin' terrorist.  Quote:Clinton DID GET HEAD, IN HIS OFFICE, BY ONE OF HIS EMPLOYEES! admitted it himself...Your point?  Quote:Obama IF YOU DO SWITCH OUT B FOR S IT DOES SAY Osama. see...Osama... Obama... subtract the B replace with S Osama...Nothing more but a stupid coincidence, you racist bigot.  Quote:but for putting down my intelligence, i sincerely hope that you are never elected to have a true debate with someone, cause you obviously cant tell the difference between matter of fact, and personal opinions...That's hilarious.So, in conclusion, you have no real strong, factual bases to support your opinion. All I've seen are the words of a chauvinist and a racist. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted By: Virtual_StarI told myself I would never post in a political thread, but here I go! Quote:WHAT FUCKING EXPERIENCE DOES SHE HAVE?! her husband is an ex president, she is so stupid and neive that she let her own husband go behind her back... in there own home! WHILE SHE WAS THERE!!! and cuz got brain from one of his secretarys! if she let that happen in her own home, what will she let happen in her country?So, because her marriage hit one heck of a bump, that justifies her being unqualified for being president? That makes just as much sense as a book on how to read.  Quote:as far as barack obama, i dont really trust him, cause his name aint mother fuckin a black name... come on now OBAMA! have u ever fuckin heard of a black man named barack, or obama! Is cuz like half iraqi? damn... thats one reason why i dont trust him He's African-American, plain and simple. And what's wrong with someone from being from the Middle East? You do know that most of the 9/11 terrorists where from Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia doesn't equal Iraq and Middle East doesn't mean everyone is a friggin' terrorist.  Quote:Clinton DID GET HEAD, IN HIS OFFICE, BY ONE OF HIS EMPLOYEES! admitted it himself...Your point?  Quote:Obama IF YOU DO SWITCH OUT B FOR S IT DOES SAY Osama. see...Osama... Obama... subtract the B replace with S Osama...Nothing more but a stupid coincidence, you racist bigot.  Quote:but for putting down my intelligence, i sincerely hope that you are never elected to have a true debate with someone, cause you obviously cant tell the difference between matter of fact, and personal opinions...That's hilarious.So, in conclusion, you have no real strong, factual bases to support your opinion. All I've seen are the words of a chauvinist and a racist. But hey, that's just my opinion. and all in all your opinion wasnt needed... A and B are talking, See your way out, notice how it says Re: Grvtykllr not virtual_star, take your time to read all the damn post before u "friggin'" state your opinion, i said that i dont care about either one!the op was bashing obama, so i stated my opinion, its my opinion who the fuck cares, obviously grvty cause he had to come at me, so i went right back, u ever heard the saying "stay out of other peoples buisness" if grvty and myself have an arguement its between us...so now to address the statements u said...because her marriage hit one heck of a bump, does not justifie her for being unqualified, she didnt do SHIT to bill clinton, maybe a slap on the wrist, which means she doesnt have self respect for herself, if u caught ur husband getting head in your home, while ur there, im shure there'd be hell to pay... correct me if im wroung...i didnt say that barack obama was a terroist, i just dont trust him, then again, i barely trust my mom and my girlfriend with my life, why would i trust some dude that i dont even know? and i mentioned his name being able to change to osama because its juss a bit funny, tupac rapped about the world trade, boom... rapped about wars in iraq, well look were we at, he rapped about his death, cuz is fuckin dead... i take tupac as somewhat of a prophet, not jesus, but somewhat prophetic, he has the credibility to back it up, so forgive me for treading carefully.clinton getting head, my point is that it was a fact, since grvty said thats what my post lacked, smart ass.and the last section, lol that made me laugh... you call me a racist? i've been ridiculed my whole life for being cuban n black and having light skin, ive been jumped, beaten, abused and hassled since 5th grade! im not even gonna continue to fuckin talk about that, you dont deserve my time, u wanna call someone racist, look in the mirror, a person is defined a racist if they take statements and flip them to be derogatory, if i called ineligible "my nigga" you would think that i was callin him black and u would say that i was being racist, or say "ineligible isnt black, hes australian etc. etc." i hear my nigga, and i take it as a general reference to people, a man, a person, u hear it and u think slavery, ur the one that posses the thought of racism, i dont... so before u point the finger, look at your hand and realize theres 3 more pointing back at you. im done..., psh ignorance is bliss... heh.

Quote:i mean i want a president whos going to say that guns will be completely destroyed and removed from the US... sure they could remove them from the stores and licensed dealers, but they cant possibly track down every weapon in the US, allowing criminals access to firearms, and decent citizens left to get screwed as well as cops considering theyd have to take away their weapons too, allowing the criminals to damn near take over. even if firearms werent readily available in stores, criminals can find a way to get one somewhere else.as to the hunting comment, some people still hunt for food, a good sized deer can last awhile, give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach the man how to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime

Originally Posted By: GrownPastMyYearsand all in all your opinion wasnt needed... A and B are talking, See your way out, notice how it says Re: Grvtykllr not virtual_star, take your time to read all the damn post before u "friggin'" state your opinion, i said that i dont care about either one!the op was bashing obama, so i stated my opinion, its my opinion who the fuck cares, obviously grvty cause he had to come at me, so i went right back, u ever heard the saying "stay out of other peoples buisness" if grvty and myself have an arguement its between us...And as a public forum, this debate (not argument) is open to whomever wishes to post. Virtual_Star had counterpoints to your argument (different type of argument) so she posted them, as she is free to do.As for your points, she is quite correct, your points are merely bigoted views based on your personal view, not fact. Its great to have an opinion, but you shouldn't base on argument on it. A 'B' and an 'S' being switched has absolutely no effect on what kind of person someone is or what kind of leader they would be. It may be funny to you, maybe even original, but its still useless.Now, the Tupac crap. What the hell is that about? He predicted his own death? No, he was shot as are a lot of rappers, its more than common for stuff like that to be referenced in their music. And when did he predict the World Trade Centre attacks? And as for saying that there would never be a black president, well, people were saying that long before Tupac. You might as well join the idiots who think that he's still alive... Originally Posted By: GrownPastMyYearsa person is defined a racist if they take statements and flip them to be derogatoryPlease buy a dictionary, it'll do wonders for your social life.

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and decent citizens left to get screwed as well as cops considering theyd have to take away their weapons too, allowing the criminals to damn near take over. even if firearms werent readily available in stores, criminals can find a way to get one somewhere else.

as to the hunting comment, some people still hunt for food, a good sized deer can last awhile, give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach the man how to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime

lol at ur last part... ok... what do u need an Ak 47 to kill a deer for?... yea thats what im talking about... and honestly, i own a gun a glock pistol, not because im going to kill someone, but because i have it for protection, guns are plentiful where i stay...

you can go down most streets in major cities and buy a gun. and for juss about 50-100 bucks...

if they ended distribution to guns, and clamped down in high gun population areas and begin removing them from the streets, it would greatly increase the safety in the U.S.

and cops dont need pistols to get there job done, they have taser guns, and they have fake rounds, *bean bag bullets fucking hurt and will knock down/out most people...*

juss how i feel... but whatever... my opinion only matters soo much...

See, I tried to stay away from this thread because the stupidity on here is too much for the human brain to comprehend. It should be illegal to say such retarded things as I've heard on here. But this little idiotic comment takes the cake. Quote:as far as barack obama, i dont really trust him, cause his name aint mother fuckin a black name... come on now OBAMA! have u ever fuckin heard of a black man named barack, or obama! Is cuz like half iraqi? damn... thats one reason why i dont trust him Seriously, tell me what the heck do you consider a "black name" because I really want to know. Should his name be Quameel? How about Treshawn? Is that what you consider a "black name"? Bullcrap. I'm black and I have a Jewish name. Get out of here with that mess.  Quote:and the last section, lol that made me laugh... you call me a racist? i've been ridiculed my whole life for being cuban n black and having light skin, ive been jumped, beaten, abused and hassled since 5th grade!BOOHOO! Welcome the real world. That's what people do. What about people who get killed for being bircial? Just because you've been harassed for "having light skin" and being "cuban n black" means people can't call you out for being a racist? You think being black is an excuse for not being called a racist? Darling, you are sadly mistaken. But I'm sorry, let me ease up. See, unlike you I wasn't beaten and abused and hassled since the 5th grade. Instead, I've been verbally and physically abused by not just "friends" but family since I was a child. My birth was suggested towards an abortion because of what I "would become". But I don't let my PAST and even present become an excuse for me to be racist. Which is exactly how you come off. Quote:a person is defined a racist if they take statements and flip them to be derogatory,um... no they're not. Please look the word up. Quote:if i called ineligible "my nigga" you would think that i was callin him black and u would say that i was being racist, or say "ineligible isnt black, hes australian etc. etc."i hear my nigga, and i take it as a general reference to people, a man, a person, u hear it and u think slavery, ur the one that posses the thought of racism, i dont... so before u point the finger, look at your hand and realize theres 3 more pointing back at you. im done..., psh ignorance is bliss... heh.I can't even begin to--- where is Kristal when I need her!Did you really just say you refer to the word "nigga" as a general reference to people? Are you friggin serious? Why God? Why? What is wrong with people? I can't further myself with this conversation because I'm just going to get myself more upset. And you a supposed "black man" or whatever make all blacks look not just bad but IGNORANT. The very stereotype we disprove. And it's friggin Black History Month man! Oh jeez. Go read a book please! I can't even- man. I'm leaving.You're right. Ignorance IS bliss!But before I go, I just want you to understand something. I don't care how raw I sound right now and if anyone takes offense to it as in "omg Abi, how could you!" I'm sorry but I don't care. I'm almost 17. I'm not a child anymore. And this cretin needs to be informed.The word nigga is a horribly sugar-coated substitute for the word NIGGER. Got that? You know what a nigger is? I don't think you do because you referred back to slavery times when you foolishly bashed Virtual Star. No, dear. Back in the times of slavery. They weren't called niggers. They were called NEGROES. Got that too? However, AFTER slavery when blacks were supposedly "free", they were disgustingly called niggers. And do you know what happened to these "niggers"? They were treated like CRAP. Sent as "freemen" with NOTHING. Having no choice but to survive as best as they could. These people who had been separated from husbands and wives, mothers and fathers, children brothers and sisters had NOTHING. Know what happened to these "niggers" if they were found at the wrong place at the wrong time? They were brutalized and lynched! The same people who worked themselves to death trying to prove themselves equal disregarded that racial slur and you consider it a "reference to people"? Disgusting. Read up on your history. You SHAME your race, those before and those to come.And a word of advice, instead of calling your "homeboys" niggas. Why don't you call each other what you really are. NEGROES.

omg Abi, how could you!

lol I'm 17 and a whole lotta woman! snap snap snap LOL no no I'm totally kidding. I just saw Dreamgirls and I've been acting it out ever since so excuse my odd behavior.

sighs.. all racial issues aside 0.o.I won't be voting for obama or hillary. I'm open to a president of any race or gender. however, right now.. honestly.... what I pick up in the news is more "Its amazing! we could have a black president or a woman president! we shouldn't pass up this oportunity" When I registered to vote.. despite having a HUGE republican oriented family I chose to be an indifferent. erm Independent. I can't see myself voting for obama just because all the back lash both ways "oh I did take the oath with a bible" what he said on one tv show "no he didn't" I hear on another.. too much wishy washy.Hillary.. well lets face it she is hillary.. she ran the country for 8 years already.. Does she really need another 8 years?

Wow....just wow...I'm not even amazed anymore at the high level of ignorance you continue to display. I'm not even gonna comment on your "mistrust" of Sen. Obama. Pure paranoia and insanity if you ask me.  Quote: and the last section, lol that made me laugh... you call me a racist? i've been ridiculed my whole life for being cuban n black and having light skin, ive been jumped, beaten, abused and hassled since 5th grade! So, you wanna cookie?  Quote:a person is defined a racist if they take statements and flip them to be derogatory, if i called ineligible "my nigga" you would think that i was callin him black and u would say that i was being racist, or say "ineligible isnt black, hes australian etc. etc." Like everyone else told you, go and read your dictionary. Or even Google the word "racist."  Quote:i hear my nigga, and i take it as a general reference to people, a man, a person, u hear it and u think slavery, ur the one that posses the thought of racism, i dont So, if a person doesn't agree with using that word, that makes them a racist??? I guess I'm a racist...I would ask this question to you (and to anyone who's fond of calling people niggers, niggas, or whatever): why do you feel the need to use it? Why?I hate to take this thread off on another tangent, but I'm curious to hear your (and other's) responses.