A question to all.

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Hey here's a great diversionHows about I post a few PMs that I have from a certain someone???Wouldn't THAT be a hoot."Why wasn't i picked to be a mod...wah wah wah...this member this, this member that..."Luckily for her I'm above that....LOLREAL MATURE! God... This goes back to if you want a respectable place than you need to set an example.Sad because of peoples "better than thou" attitude, we lost Angel, who I feel was one of the most valuable members. I am not saying I am perfect either, I had made my mistakes on this board and even acted "mean" I am sure. Hell we all have, and yet SHE was the one called out. We have people like white_lines that come here and post ignorant and hate and yet nothing is said to him and he's still posting.I cannot even say how very upset I am right now.SexPot- First off you know I like ya so don’t take this personal. But you have no right to point fingers about anyone being a “bitch” on this site. I have seen you attack more than a few people here. I think we all have at one point or another, so no one is innocent.Pinkranger- How can people get along too well here? You and Helms are soooo buddy buddy it’s almost ridiculous. He defends you to the end even when YOU are in the wrong… hell even threatened to ban my IP address for literally no reason just because you and I had a discussion about sexuality when you got offended. So you have no right to talk about people playing favoritism or “getting along too well”.Again I cannot even express how very upset I am on how people have acted and how we lost such a special woman on this site. I really hope you are all very satisfied in your actions.

Wow, I have really seen alot of peoples true colors in this thread. How very sad.The Angel haters can say what they want to say, but even they have to admit she really gave great advice and help. She answered the same questions over and over again that no one else bothered to answer.

Could not agree more Sweetie... could not agree more.

Shouted at your kids? Why not take it out on some poor kid on the Internet instead? ::rolls eyes::>Don't forget to take your medicine! >I wonder if "ilkiekisses" will come back now - she left because of you. Do you not even care about the ramification of your childish behavior on this site? I have a bad bad feeling you are going to lose some of your best members over how you are treating Angel. Sad to see how dirty you are willing to go to bash someone. Really upsets me.

I don't think it was betrayal at all Kristal. I think Angel was genuinely hurt by what Helms said. Should she have maybe kept it off the boards... probably. But she didn’t and instead of Helms taking it as a mature adult and handling it as so he instead bashed her and continues to do so. Sorry two wrongs don't make a right. HE is the admin on the site and should treat people with a little more class.He talks about wanting to make this place more helpful and respectful than he needs to set the example.And sorry Helms I am not trying to bash you.. I am just in shock of your own actions.

How can anyone be upset at someone else typing words from another country or state. I couldn't care less if someone hated me or called me names on here. Their there and i'm here. Everyone has a different reason to be on the forums, everyone has their own problems, everyone is unique and have been brought up different. We are all individuals here that can express your opinion as long as no one is being threatened or racial based. I COME IN PEACE, TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER

It's not as simple as that... though maybe it should be. Angel has been a very helpful person on this site and she got singled out for something everyone does and was called "mean". A simple word like "mean" can really hurt someone when they thought they were well liked.Regardless what old sayings say... words CAN hurt...

We discussed Steve up there ^when he was here everyone picked on him, he left and everyone fights with each other instead, noone can blame steve for al this shit the site is worse with steve gone, not better.Iv said all I have to say on this subject and see to reason to return to repeat the same shit over and over.Me and Steph had some lovely pms last night and shit is hashed out with her to our satisfation so I dont need to come back here to bash her.you fuckers enjoy, I got other threads to read

I have no beef with anyone here, although it's fun to joke around. Nobody should be that attached to people on-line. I feel bad for those whose feelings are hurt, but seriously. The people that you hang out with can be your friends, people on the net are just a bunch of random names that should not effect ones personal life. Now it's time to appolgize and make up.

I disagree. I have some pretty amazing FRIENDS that are on-line. A few of which I met from this site. Anyways not the point of the thread. As Chance said this thread is about done.. I am just very disappointed in a few peoples actions.

Whether an accurate perception or not, this is the problem when a mod gives the appearance of playing favorites.

Anytime that mod calls someone on the carpet, the standard refrain is going to be, and rightly so, I might add, "Well, you didn't say anything to so and so." or "The only reason you said anything is because this person disagreed with me."

Whatever the catalyst for the confrontation the result will always be the same, real or perceived unfair treatment and hurt feelings.

In my, admittedly worthless, opinion this whole thread is merely a symptom of a much larger problem of an implied inequity among the posters. Perhaps the mods need to talk among themselves on better ways to avoid the implication of favoritism, less the board will suffer for it.

In addition, let me add, this miss-guided, pious, self-serving, nostalgia for the days of yore, seems ultimately to be to the detriment of the board. Thereby, resulting only in caustic feelings between several new and old members and ever further scuttling the mission, for which this board was created.

See what I find is funny is we are not calling into play Angels advice we are calling her attitude. I mean you can give great advice 90% and the other 10% of the time you can come off as bitchy. That is what it is. And this is not a "we hate angel group" vs "protectors of angel." I mean most things are better kept in private and to bring them to public justifys alot more actions on everyones elses behalf. What happened is Angel freaked over 1 damn post. She went off on some poor kid, which she does do. But she came here to ask about that and everyone exploded. So this thread is way off topic and should be locked and everyone that posted off topic should be banned, so that is about most the regs and 1 mod and 1 admin. Angel it sucks to be judged by somethings you sya, but you have to realize that sometimes the 1% of the time that you are mean or whatever that could be the time that it is most important not to be. Also taking it out on your kids is not cool. I mean y'all got me going after the whole cold deal, but I mean I got over it, and realized what I did wrong. So I mean no one on here is perfect. Angel is not perfect, Helms is not. So this argument could go on forever calling out all the shortfalls and mistakes weve made or we can just realize that we as a board blew this whole thing out of proportion. Angel you are a good person and you have a good heart, you just ned to always present that here, no matter how repetitive or monotonous or insanely stupid a post is. We are here to try and give the best unbiased advise for people with questions. So I can understand your frustration with the post spamming, but oh well, shit happens. It will be okay in the end. I mean life will go on and you should learn from you experience and grow from that, even if you are a mature woman, always room to grow. So please everyone stop arguing. We just need to realize that we are truly here to help and what we are doing by debating who is nice/mean/stupid/childish is not going to help us stay in apositive manner to help people who come to these boards.Thank You...and do it for all the people who want the help.

I probably shouldn't post again but I am going to because there were to many discrepancies in your post.

> She went off on some poor kid, which she does do

The girl was an obvious troll, and Angel was not the only one who "went off" on her (If anything Angel was probably the most polite). Did everyone get a "you're mean" PM? And Angel does not go around "going off" on people. EVERYONE here goes off on the trolls. We are ALL guilty of that.

>What happened is Angel freaked over 1 damn post

It was more than One PM. There were a few sent to her from my understanding. So please stop making it sound like she just utterly went off the deep end.

>Also taking it out on your kids is not cool

She didn't take it out on her kids... she yelled probably because of the frustration of people coming down on her like she's some evil person. It's funny how people here are sooooo easy to condemn someone but rarely lift anyone up.

>Angel you are a good person and you have a good heart, you just need to always present that here, no matter how repetitive or monotonous or insanely stupid a post is.

You're right Angel does have a good heart and she's a wonderful person. But even the most wonderful person might have a bad day and NO ONE can always be the kind-hearted person on these forums. Asking for that is right down ridiculous.

>So I can understand your frustration with the post spamming, but oh well, shit happens.

This has nothing to even do with this topic. Angel is probably the number one person to answer these repeated questions from new members while most people say "This has been answered many times, use the search feature", including most of the mods.

Again I probably shouldn't have wasted my time making this post. Am I still upset... damned skippy I am. If people have an issues with someone on these boards and it cannot be handled through PM, than they just need to leave each other alone. I have said this before we are not all going to like everyone here, but EVERYONE should at least RESPECT each other.

I really think that this whole thread has got totally out of hand. Angel posted because she felt hurt by having someone she liked and trusted say something to her that did hurt her feelings... maybe she was wrong to bring it out publicly, but she has accepted that and said so. As amanda said, not everyone is going to get on all the time... so maybe we should all agree to disagree and maybe try not to read into things too much....???

Not replying to you Walken, you were just the last postThis site is like middle school all over again. People vie for popularity and status by excluding people. I think everyone on here has inherent value because everyone has an unique perspective. While I dont like everyone here, I still respect them. I can argue with you in one thread and be joking with you in another one. At the end of the day, this is just a website.When I get sick of the childishness, I just leave. No announcement in this thread about whats going on in my life, no pity party. And when Im bored I come back. End of story. I just dont understand some of you. I think it would be interesting if we could somehow anonymously post how we really feel about eachother. It would be nice to see what people think about me, really. Its sad it takes something like this to see how people really are. But at the end of the day, its no big deal.

What, ME_MYSELF_AND_I said. :grin:

Now, who wants pie?!

LOL you and you're pie..

But umm.. I'll take some Key Lime Pie if you got some hehe :wink:

O.K. everone...it's nap time too many cranks in this daycare

Only if its pumpkin!(did you notice you smile when you say the word pie)

Yes! You can't scowl and say the word 'pie', maybe that's why it makes me happy.