ok, here the situation. urve been training for god nos how long and ur finaly here. ur completeing one of ur life dreams, to reach the sumit of mt everist. ur team are nearing the sumitt can come across an opposing team member who has run out of oxygen. u have two options1) save this guy by shareing ur oxygen and takeing the poor basterd back down the mountain to the urgent medical attention he needs. after all, do one 2 others etc2) u figger hes done for anyway, wheather or not u take him down. u deside not to risk looseing ur life dream, not to meantion the fame and glory for ur country and continue up to the sumit.so, which do u choose? ( by the way, ive kinda based this on resent events)
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Which would u choose?
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Option 1, no question. I wouldn't put someone else's life at risk for my own gains.
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Without a doubt Option 1. I couldn't let someone else die for my own gain. It comes down to the same fact I would never be able to live with myself after if I let him die.
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Aaaah you bloody whinger! There's a bit of controversy over here (Oz) about it It's hard for us to say not having been confronted with the situation, but being the compassionate person that I am I'd find it extremely difficult to let someone die, regardless of how focused I was on the ultimate goal.Even if I thought he had little chance, I could never give up on keeping someone alive until they had finally, completely slipped away.Look, he got to the top, he's going to cop some flack over this but stiff. I think he should cop a bit of flack.
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I would give him my oxygen and let him go down and I would continue on with none. It has been done before.
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option 1, without a doubt
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I would never leave an innocent man to die if I could save him.
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This is actually relevant to me, I have a fund for climbing everest, its not enough yet but someday it will be, last years price was 56000 dollars, this year will be higher but the alpine club hasnt sent me my shit for this year yet so I cant give the price as it is currently.you have to understand that anyone thats good enough even witha guide to reach the last camp and place a summit bid has expereince at altitude. We all know the risks we take when we climb, we all know that it can colapse and kill us in an instant and that its a game of chance as well as skill.Ed Vistures has summited the bastard over 11 times, most of those times with no oxygen. FRead the book "Into Thin Air" that year was teh shits and a small window was open for a summit bid was all He was carring the sattelite and shit for Imax fto document it all and to finally get a real life measurment of the hill with a GPS. He went out at night and pulled peoples ass off that mountain and into tents knowing he was going to miss his summt bid and fuck up alot of money invested in him and that single trip and none ofit his all of it his sponsors who pay his bills and his climbing trips and his life style.as it turned out, the window stayed open and he made the summit but when he made his choice he had no way of knowing that would happen. Im with Edf on this one, human life comes before a summit, no matter what mountain it is or even metaphorically what summit it is, human life comes first.You also have to understand that everest is too big and too bad, if someone dies there, they stay there we dont pul bodys off hte mountain, once they ar there, they belong to the mountain. its strewn in bodies and during avalanches and thaws and fshit, climbers often see them, decades old in gear so outdated that its irrelevant to climbing today. You die there, your there for ever.last, we dont share oxygen on a summit bid. ffit hurts to take a step, your body is dying at that altitude and oxygen is precious, sharing it could kill both of you. if your near enough to the camp, you can share onteh way back, but even then you still need oxygen to get to camp 3 and 2, with out it most people are dead unless they ar nteh fabulous shape that ed and a few others are.If you dont understand the risks you dont climb, and if you havent been climbing no guide no matter th price you pay, will attempt to take you to the top. you have to have a climbing resume to even pay your way to the top.f
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In reply to: that its a game of chance as well as skill. Well then you must have been born to play!!
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actually I always enjoyed the forest and deserts and outdoors.I fgot into climbing and high pointing because i was afraid of high places and decided to do something about it. I was afraid of snakes at one time too, since then Iv had a 6 foot boa as a bet :Pbut wihtthe name, I got lucky, Iv been using that pun on anything I could find including a pick up line when I was single.Cummon baby take a chance with us and meet me at theback of the blue bus tonight, cummon....
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first one
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In reply to: Besides, climbing Everest doesn't bring much fame to anyone anymore, just personal accomplishment. It has recently for Mark Inglis (sp?), he lost both his legs to frost bite 20 odd years ago, last week he climbed Everest. Not a bad effort for a guy with no legs.
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yer, i agree that id save the guy if i could but...i think it would b different to what u think if u were in that situation, with ur goal lieing just outa ur reach cuz u choose 2 try and help this guy. it wouldnt b such an easy desision in that caseand yer, the reason i was saying this is, Mark Inglis ( guy with no legs that got to the top) is getting shit from ppl, includeing sir edmund hillery ( 1st guy 2 get to the top of mt everist..and a NZlander i must add) for him and his party, not stopping for the dyeing guy. i think its allittle ufair 2 judge them on that cuz, we wernt there, we donno how it is etc
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I haven't heard any of that?!
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any serious climber knows that its not the goal that rules your decisions. If that were true, there would be more deaths from people continuing when they think they cant or they run low on food or the conditions dont open to make a bid for the summit.The mountain is never bigger then the people.as a climber and high pointer myself I condem him, if IF that other unfortunate sould could of been saved by his helping him.and with out endangering his own life by doing so. When you climb expedition style there is so much to be accounted for, drop points for oxygen and fuel and food and all sorts of bullshit. all of those points must be factored in for any decision made. I prefer to climb alpine myself moving fast and as light as possible. its fucked me sometimes, but its made several retreats possible when needed. Climbig is not something that anyone who hasnt done it can really judge.also consider that when hillary made his successful bid in 1953 wiht Norgay, the entire fface of climbing has changed since then, gear, clothing, shit even the food and basic ice axes and crampons are different. christ we dont even use leather boots anymore for the big mountains or vertical ice, now its plastic all the way. Nothing is that same. Hillary and any non climber has no place in judging the decisions of a climber in the death zone.
