Immoral thoughts before masturbation

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I'm a decently religious person, but I don't necessarily agree with the bible saying you'll go to hell for masturbating. The bible was written thousands of years ago, before people knew what exactlydrove someone to masturbate etc. I personally think it needs to be updated because it has been proven that masturbation is actually good for you as long as it doesn't control your life. For example, four hundred years ago people wouldn't eat tomatoes because they thought they were poisoness and evil, but that didn't stop anybody from eating them.

Be that as it may, I don't think the bible really says not to masturbate. As I said, the story of Onan is about defying God's will rather than about masturbating. It's about pulling out early.

Isn't there something about self-indulgence though? Something along the lines of that anyway?

Are you talking about lust as a deadly sin?

I think so. I haven't opened a bible in 3 years so i'm just going by what I read elsewhere.

If someone has the idea that thinking about or doing anything sexual is a sin unless the objective is making a baby, then that would be a problem. I don't think the scriptures say that, though.

Maybe someone just distorted or misintpreted the actual meaning of the passage then spread it around saying masturbation is bad, or something.

The Catholic Church (i.e., the Pope) thinks that sexual activity in only for producing offspring (I'm not sure where that leaves couples who can't have children, for whatever reason), but I don't know what the scriptural reasoning is. It sounds like an idea pushed by religious leaders who have an issue with their own sexuality, especially now that the Catholic church has a celibate clergy.

Christians have evolved a very different attitude toward sex than Jews and Moslems. In the privacy of their own homes, Jewish and Moslems couples are supposed to go wild with each other (well, within reason).

In reply to:In the privacy of there own homes, Jewish and Muslim couples are supposed to go wild with each other (well, within reason). Whose to say the christians don't? What the clergy don't know won't hurt 'em. Then again I'm Portuguese and Catholic. We're raised to be religious then never follow the "rules" once we're confirmed.

But the tradition in some Christian cultures has been that it's not even OK for your spouse to see you naked. You wear clothes to bed with strategic cutouts so you can make babies. I don't think there a scriptural justification for it, though. It's dogma that evolved, pushed along by religious leaders on power trips.

I really think that a lot of what is said is dogma and misinterpretations. Thank God I wasn't raised to believe everything they say. But I was born out of wedlock so it would very hypocritical for my parents to force those beliefs on me and my siblings. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

The history of Catholocism in Ireland over the past couple of centuries is pretty interesting. Things got fairly strict, the church overreached, and it was finally pushed back. Now Ireland is very secular.As they say, power corrupts, and the church hierarchy in Irland became really corrupt.Bobalicious, if you're around, care to comment?

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, so long as you are the one in power absolute power also really rocks!

Didn't W. "jokingly" say that dictatorships suck, unless he's the dictator?

I do recal that, but, I cant say yes because i cant recall when or what speach or wha tthe purpose of the speach was. I have nothing on hand to back it upf, but Id swear that it was an accurate quote.looks like its time for google...

Youtube: George Bush, dictator

I found in a matter of seconds more then just the youtube.com"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator." December 18, 2000 "A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it." July 30, 2001, But what I found that he said that so accuratly sums up his entire term is this one:"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."use any dictonary you like, look up what propaganda means.Maybe geroge looked it up in the same dictonary that Clinton used when defining sexual relations?Atleast I could understand him, he got a bj and with is wife standing there didnt want to dig his ass in deeper.

Steve I think bob has gone for a while to concentrate on his exams and other things in life... im sure he'll be back eventually