If this was your child what would you do ?

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Digusting. I'll echo what somebody else said about some women not believing in discipline being a big part of the problem with a lot of kids these days...especially in single-parent homes. The role a father plays in a family is important for many reasons...more than just the obvious ones. Discipline is not always physical...there are a lot of options beyond spankings and such, too. That video game would be in the trash can in two seconds to begin with...with the TV close behind.

So you're saying that fathers tend to be good disciplinarians, but fathers are not? That generalization doesn't agree with what I've observed.A bigger problem are divorced parents who share custody, and who both feel guilty about having put their kids through a divorce, and indulge them way too much. Also, a lot of parents are so focused on their careers that they don't have the time or strength to deal with important family issues.

"A bigger problem are divorced parents who share custody, and who both feel guilty about having put their kids through a divorce, and indulge them way too much. Also, a lot of parents are so focused on their careers that they don't have the time or strength to deal with important family issues."I generally agree with that. But, if you think about it, that's what I was saying as well. In divorces, who usually gets custody? The mother...who then quite often lets discipline lapse...often for the reasons you suggest (though sometimes because she's weak in it as well). But let another man enter the picture and the mother will often prevent him from administering any discipline! The father, because he can't be present, is of little real effect in the situation unless supported by the mother, which is quite seldom.

Nowadays, joint custody is very common, if the father is interested. Kids are adept at playing one parent off the other, and appealing to the parents' sense of guilt.Growing up in the Miami area, a lot of my friends lived with their divorced mother. A lot of them were real hardasses. From my own experience, I don't buy into your generalization, and I don't think it's the reason that kids are out of control today, if in fact they are out of control.

That is crap. I was a single parent and my son is well behaved for the most part. When he is acting up I raise my voice a little and start to count to three and he stops. I have never even reached three. AND I do not have to 'beat' my kids for them to act properly.

He was generalizing. You must be an outlier.

I find that when folks have a knee-jerk reaction to a generalization that is obviously a generalization (and does not necessarilly apply to them) that they do indeed, on some concious level, understand what the point is and are concerned about it.

Some people would just like you to support your generalization. When a person give subjective opionions, they tend to be refracted through the person's own prejudices and world view.I keep asking you for data or references to back up your claims, and so far we're batting zero.

I don't recall you asking for any such thing in this thread. If you are truly interested they are easy enough to find. If you are not...well...

You make an affirmative claim, people disagree, and you reapeat. What's the point? I honestly don't know where to find that data (on some psychology or anhtropology Web site?), or why you believe it.

Yeah, I am thinking I better come up with a plan if I ever get to that point. lol. Right now, taking away the PS2 is working.

Do you have in mind black boys from single-parent homes, usually headed by women?

I do the counting the 3 thing too lisa LOL never got to 3 yet either

I don't think my parents would do anything to me if I did that, maybe I would get grounded.If that was my kid I would beat him, no one would ever fucking disgrace me like that in my own house.

I would go downstairs with a hammer and smash his x-box to pieces. If hes gunna act like that he shoudlnt have one.

you know what i always thought was weird?i've never been grounded,or even punished in anyway before.well,i guess it because i've never done anything wrong before.well,that they know about,anyway

I've never been punished either. I've been threatened with stuff, but they have never actually done anything.

i've never even been threatened

Well, thats cause I have done some bad stuff...

i've done some bad stuff too,i've just never been caught