may, oui! c'est bon!but, not to start a side debate, underground plubing had a larger effect on the life span of humans than any other advance.Of course, it was all started by plumbers looking for public funding for fuitless research... bastards
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Fetal stem cell reasearch veto
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poo poo ? wee wee !Me and a thanksgiving dinner have had a bigger negative effect on plumbig than any other dinner Ill have all year long.
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god, you're sexy
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My overwhelming charm, good looks, and huge wang, are all that keep my woman with me when I start making shit and dick jokes. Thank joe pesci Im sexy or Id be single !now aside from that,has thor not been online to respond ? or is he just ebing silent ? Iv really been waiting to see his reply to the last few posts.Id also like to ask, inline wiht this entire thread, why do people who feel that they are doing gods wil, think its ok to intervine in other peoples lives and tell them what its OK to do and say and think and feel?No matter how anyone answers that wuestion, it all comes back to Im right, your wrong and leads us right back to scottys posts on fundamentalist
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It comes back to "you just don't understand; you are incapable of understanding". It's quite a debate.
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well once we got past the "Fucking jews killed the radio stars" it was turing into something good, Now Im afraid its petering out into the same shit that all the contraversial discussions on this site turn into.
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> that all the contraversial discussions on this site turn into.
I don't think it's unique to this site. When you have a bunch of people on one side versus one person on the other side who is not able to expain or advance his position very well, what can you do? Mutual admiration threads get boring. Maybe there are people reading this tired thread with fresh ideas, but who don't want to post.
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well look at the sheer numbers of people who visit the site, look at thenumber of views each thred has recieved.granted, one person can look at the thread 30 times and each look counts.But, with the number of people who come here wouldnt you think that there would be several from each sidef that can contribute?Besides, if you only come and ook and never post, whats the point of coming?aside from a few people who would make this a better place by not posting anything on a serious thread cough purple coughsumting in my throat...seriously, Iv seen many professed fgod bombs on the site, wouldnt you think they would weigh in on one side or another?I really want to know anyplace that god said you cant do this you little shits!If we can only go by gods will, fshouldnt we go back to wearing leaves on your dicks and shitting in teh woods and fstop brushign our teeth and stop practicing medicine since its all gos will?If its his will that a child with a heart murmor dies, then whats the use of taking that child to a Doctor to begin with? By doing that, did the doc condem himself to hell for saving that child and going against gods will ? did the parents since they stood against god and brought the child to the doc to begin with? since the doc and the parents commited the sin, does the child have to burn as well upon its death?Damn it, I am waiting for an answer to all my questions.
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In reply to: why do people who feel that they are doing gods wil, think its ok to intervine in other peoples lives and tell them what its OK to do and say and think and feel? hmmm... possibly they think that god is incompetent?this is actually a deep idea.god can't teachgod can't punnishgod can't curethat's why he needs people to do all this for himSo, then why do so many people who believe in god differ in opinion about what god wants?OHHH YEAH, I forgot...I can't understand
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That's all fair and good, but one could argue that this is not really the best site to debate politics and current events. It's more oriented toward personal health issues and such. You'll certainly find a bigger critical mass of people who are interested in these kinds of things elsewhere.But even if the discussion peters out, it's not bad that people are exposed to ideas that they might not ordianrly give much though to, like stem cell research. It's funding is controlled by politicians, voters (kind of) control the politicians, and people around here might vote (either now or when they're old enough).
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True enough, but this isnt the only part of the net I hang out on, and no not everything else I do is all porn, Iv seen similar arguments that petered out just as quik on other forums. They lasted about as long as they did here and not a damned thing was learned, and no sides were progressed any further. It always sends up with god said so and Im right, your wrong.I have to think that Mr U may be on the right path as to why its always this way.
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as is obvious, after over a year and a half here, I've gravitated more to the socio/political debates and away from the medical.there is only 1 other forum I regularly play at and the pollitics is encouraged there... along with media critasism and other bullshit.Thor may have not debated well, but he's much less obnoxious than many and at least he has a bit of a sense of humour
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Yes.
I wonder what F22fighter would have said. Or Last, for that matter.
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yup, even Averagejoe would have has a "rich kid" opinion.Unforgetto... he was my favorite though
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"No matter how anyone answers that wuestion, it all comes back to Im right, your wrong and leads us right back to scottys posts on fundamentalist"I haven't mentioned God once except to point out where others have. Hmmmm. Seems to me there's some paranoia running around. Either that, or folks just like to jump on the latest PC bandwagon in place of anything constructive to add.I've said what I think of stem-cell research. In summary, it's a bad idea that this paranoid, selfish and short-sighted society isn't ready for. With that, no need for me to continue with this thread.
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"But, with the number of people who come here wouldnt you think that there would be several from each sidef that can contribute? Besides, if you only come and ook and never post, whats the point of coming?"I'll take a stab at that. First off, like Steve said, look at the people who come to this site. Their generally here for medically oriented questions not debates. Secondly, the kind of hard corp fundamentalist we've been talking about wouldn't be here. They would be busy calling their congressman trying to get this site shut down. The lady I work with spends the better part of her day doing such things. Kinda like the reverends wife on the Simpson's, "Would some one please, think about the children!"Third, many people don't like the idea of stepping on toes or having their toes stepped on and some would have hard time leaving the debate just in this thread. So, probably wisely for them, they just don't say anything.Finally, it's my personal opinion, that there aren't that many people who really agree with the fundamentalist Right on this issue. Their preacher may condemn stem cell research and the congregation may pray to stop it but once they're home I question how many people really hold those views. Sure, they may even condemn it at coffee and donuts after church in the parish or fellowship hall. But I am, somewhat, dismissive of that as merely peoples proclivity to fit into their social circle, which I contend, although much to it's determent, is what church has been becoming increasingly about. As people have become increasingly more isolated in society their need to fit in some where has proportionally increased and that is why I think they are so willing to let their own beliefs, values, and intellect be steam rolled by a fundamentalist minority. Nobody wants to have their coffee and donuts in the corner by themselves, I'm speaking facetiously of course but the social interaction it provides is probably more important then many would be willing to admit.I think people in their hearts and minds still hold their own opinions and when away form the church clique don't fall quite so easily into line and I would assert that stem cell research is probably one of, if not, the most (semi-underground at least) divisive issue in church congregations. I think most people are reasonable and aren't, in their everyday lives, so quick to condemn people to death at the hands of horrible wasteful diseases when a cure might be around the corner.It gets back to what I said in an earlier post. You have a quasi pseudo-religious political movement that purports to speak for all of Christianity when in fact it speaks for a very small, very vocal minority with, what I believe to be, rather shady political objectives. Further, this group likes to employee strong arm tactics to keep control of individuals or whole congregations that may have a different view. You could, of course, still go to church just don't expect to be treated like a member or get invited to the church social. At least around here anyway, they use the, not so subtle, threat of social banishment to keep would be wayward followers in line. Sort of a nice tight goose-step of a line. So maybe you arn't getting a lot of responces because there really arn't that many people that disagree with stem cell research. Just a thought.
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Finally, it's my personal opinion, that there aren't that many people who really agree with the fundamentalist Right on this issue.If I correctly remember the most recent poll results, 63% of voters favor federal funding of stem cell research.thor> it's a bad idea that this paranoid, selfish and short-sighted society isn't ready for.Thor thinks America is contemptable. We're not ready for biomedical research, I guess.There was a very interesting article in the NYT (evil liberal lying press, according to thor) titled, "Disowning Conservative Politics Is Costly for an Evangelical Pastor". It's about an evangelical pastor, Rev. Gregory A. Boyd, who is not liberal, but who doesn't like the evangelical Christian church to be used as a political tool (or more accuratly, as a branch of the Republican party). He has faced a lot of flack from his evangelical Christian brethren, and some of his flock.Here are the first few paragraphs of the article:In reply to:MAPLEWOOD, Minn. — Like most pastors who lead thriving evangelical megachurches, the Rev. Gregory A. Boyd was asked frequently to give his blessing — and the church’s — to conservative political candidates and causes.The requests came from church members and visitors alike: Would he please announce a rally against gay marriage during services? Would he introduce a politician from the pulpit? Could members set up a table in the lobby promoting their anti-abortion work? Would the church distribute “voters’ guides” that all but endorsed Republican candidates? And with the country at war, please couldn’t the church hang an American flag in the sanctuary?After refusing each time, Mr. Boyd finally became fed up, he said. Before the last presidential election, he preached six sermons called “The Cross and the Sword” in which he said the church should steer clear of politics, give up moralizing on sexual issues, stop claiming the United States as a “Christian nation” and stop glorifying American military campaigns.“When the church wins the culture wars, it inevitably loses,” Mr. Boyd preached. “When it conquers the world, it becomes the world. When you put your trust in the sword, you lose the cross.”Mr. Boyd says he is no liberal. He is opposed to abortion and thinks homosexuality is not God’s ideal. The response from his congregation at Woodland Hills Church here in suburban St. Paul — packed mostly with politically and theologically conservative, middle-class evangelicals — was passionate. Some members walked out of a sermon and never returned. By the time the dust had settled, Woodland Hills, which Mr. Boyd founded in 1992, had lost about 1,000 of its 5,000 members.But there were also congregants who thanked Mr. Boyd, telling him they were moved to tears to hear him voice concerns they had been too afraid to share.“Most of my friends are believers,” said Shannon Staiger, a psychotherapist and church member, “and they think if you’re a believer, you’ll vote for Bush. And it’s scary to go against that.”Sermons like Mr. Boyd’s are hardly typical in today’s evangelical churches. But the upheaval at Woodland Hills is an example of the internal debates now going on in some evangelical colleges, magazines and churches. A common concern is that the Christian message is being compromised by the tendency to tie evangelical Christianity to the Republican Party and American nationalism, especially through the war in Iraq.
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Whats wrong with what he said? He says that not that many people agree with the findamentalists, the poll results you've seen indicate that only a third of the public agree with them. Its pretty much the same thing.
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I'm not sure what I read wrong...but...OK.
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No, Krystal misread it, you were fine. You just backed it up with a number.