Gay Marrage

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This post proves what a narrow minded brain washed fool you are.Long before governements started telling people what was right and wrong, before the church spoke up and started saving our souls marriage was a business proposal.It gave rights to other people, passed on surnames and afforded benifits to the children and spouse of a person.Thats all that gays want, the same rights afforded to them with out discrimination. a civil union is bullshit. It singles them out. Marriage can only exist between a man and awoman, what a crock of shit. Marriage has come to be associated with love and dedication between two people, to say no you can have s civil union but youll never be married is degrading, it only serves to give a big fuck you to two people who found happiness with each other.

Good jumped up christ on a pogo stick.
hes GAY not a CROSS DRESSER.
Why would he take teh time to write a post about gay marriage and only mean that he or his lover wants to wear a fucking wedding dress in a church?
I sometimes have to wonder if you think your funny, or if you were born brain dead. Did your mother have any children that lived thru the birthing process?

>Marriage is more than just love...so much more.

Please tell me what marriage is than? Marriage is a union between two people who love each other and wish to build a life together. It certainly doesn't get more detailed than that.

>If you understood what marriage was in its entirety, you wouldn't even be arguing with me about it...and you'd understand the whole shoe analogy thing too.

Trust me I understood you shoe analogy it was just well ridiculous. A man and a man fit together just as a man and a woman does if you are gay. Perhaps if you knew what you were talking about you'd understand. One thing you need to understand, being gay is just as natural to us as being straight is to you. And I will argue with you about this because I won't have someone try to tell me I am less of a citizen and shouldn't get equal rights simply because I am homosexual; something I had no control over.

>Marriage is defined as being between man and woman...it encompasses the kind of relationship, the roles and responsibilities, and the creation of family.

Do you understand there are many people who get married and never have children? Should their right to get married be revoked? Why does marriage have to encompass a man and a woman? Since when is this type of a relationship more stable and have more capabilities to have responsibly than a gay relationship?

>Gay folks don't have any natural way of creating a family, and a gay couple isn't going to be able to provide the gender-specific role models that a husband/wife team can.

What about all those mothers and fathers that raise children by themselves? Are they less of a parent and their children are going to come out bad because they do not have a mother or father figure in their lives? Absolutely not! The main thing children need is love and stability. You give children this and you can easy fill in the blanks (If there are any). Two males or two females are just as capable of raising children as a male and female couple.

>What you say is true, there are a lot of straight people who do not honor the sanctity of marriage...but do you really want to go there? It's my understanding that gay men have a harder time sticking to one partner than straight folks (according to stats)...not that I necessarily mean you.

Yes I do want to go there because you are trying to say homosexuals will ruin something that straight people already have ruined. As for these "stats" please show me a link. Am I saying gay men are perfect? Hell no but either are straight men. In every culture and every class of people there are going to be cheaters, dogs, jerks whatever you wish to call them. But in the same token there are going to be the genuine men/women, the faithful men/women that would never cheat on their lover. So again show me where you got these stats because right now I call them bullshit. Just let me tell you I know many gay couples that have been together for many years and who love each other deeply, more than I have seen from any straight couple who deserve to have the title marriage before many straight couples I have seen.

>Hey...you're the one who brought the straight vs gay issue up, not me.

Yeah you're right I did, but I was the one trying to say we are equal and you are the one trying to make heterosexual people out to be more superior to homosexual people.

>As for equality, there is no such thing as true equality...a man is a man and a woman is a woman. Their brains and bodies function differently.

Umm yeah men have a penis and females have vaginas, learned that early in life. In reality there isn't much mentally different between males and females. Yes females give birth etc etc. But MENTALLY there isn't much different, but that's certainly not the subject at hand.

>Marriage was designed the way it was in recognition of this by God. Yep...that's right.

Depends which version of the bible you read. The actual text was never between a man and a woman. The original text was a union between two people who love each other under the eyes of god.

>This government has nothing to do with defining marriage...they just chose to recognize it.

Actually you are very wrong. The government has a huge influence on what's accepted and what's not. The government wants to have it put into the constitution that marriage will only be between a man and a woman. So don't tell me that government has nothing to do with defining marriage.

>Maybe when folks understand that equal rights and equality are not the same thing, perhaps we'll have less jumping up and down over this issue.

To me that makes no sense at all. Equality is simply being treated like every other citizen in this country. Why would anyone want to be treated as a second rate citizen? I pay just as much taxes as Joe Straight and I damn well deserve the same treatment and benefits.

>If you want to focus on having equal rights, that's fine. You have the right to go create your own kind of civil union, have the ceremony any way you want, get the government to recognize it and receive all the tax benefits that go along with it. But it will never be a marriage no matter what you say or do, or what happens down the road...you can't change the meaning of the word "marriage" just to suit your desires.

To suit my desires? My desire is to be treated like any other tax paying citizen and not to be discriminated again simply because I am homosexual; again something I have no control over.

>Any attempt to do that will achieve nothing except diminishing for straight folks what a marriage is. Why would you want to do that?

How would allowing gay people to get married diminish anything for straight people? Do you think having the right to marry someone is a special prize award because you were born straight? Marriage should not be used as a discrimination tool telling people you are not good enough because you are not straight.

>Why practicing homosexuals would want a part of something Christian is beyond me, anyway.

Are you saying gay people cannot be Christians? Well guess what SURPRISE!!! There are plenty of gay Christians out there; I am one of them. So it makes sense that we would want to have a proper wedding in the eyes of god and call it marriage, something that was institutes by god.

I am sorry for such a long post but everything you said was so completely off base. You come off, without saying it directly, that for some reason heterosexual people are better than homosexual people and deserve special treatment/privileges. I stand by the fact that if I am expected to pay proper taxes than I expect equal treatment regardless of sexual orientation. Period.

Idiot! Doesn't mean he can't have a proper wedding! Look at all these faboulous Western European traditions!http://www.worldweddingtraditions.com/locations/west_europe_traditions/austrian_traditions.htmlHas anyone actually married this way?These weddings are made for a man/woman relationship though.

fi wish you were my son, that way I could turn you over my knee, spank you, and put you up for adoption for soiling the family name.

Lies! You just want to touch my behind! Plus, your old now, I can outrun you!

it does not matter to me if a gay or lesbian couple get married. they are still people. they should be treated with equal respect as those who are heterosexual. i am hoping that in the near future those who feel against gay marriage will feel otherwise. love who you want to love. there should not be rules to who one can love or not. i will not be replying to any nonsense that i get replied to me (unless its worthwhile). think what you want. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. however, discrimination is NOT an opinion. just because someone feels differently about gay marriage, DOES NOT mean that they should feel superior to them,or act on it. ive heard so many stories on the news of gays being beaten up and treated differently. i think thats just terrible. i can not imagine the feeling of loving someone, but not being able to marry them, or live a happy and carefree life, because of how other people feel about it.

in conclusion, all the power to both gay and straight marriage. love who you want, be with who you want, and dont let anyone stand in the way of it. XOx :grin:

"Depends which version of the bible you read."Yes it does."The actual text was never between a man and a woman."Yes it was...and it was thousands of years before our government existed...much less chose to recognize marriage.Let me put it another way. The Bible already has rights on the term "marriage" and has defined what it means. You want a union, fine...come up with your own name for it. Since marriage is "man and woman" and is already taken, you've gotta come up with something else.You'll notice that, except for this statement, I choose to ignore all the politically correct bullshit some people choose to spew...nothing like going with the flow, even if it is down the toilet. I learned to think for myself a long time ago, thank you.

Maybe you didn't reply to my other information because you know deep down it makes perfect sense.

>Yes it was...and it was thousands of years before our government existed...much less chose to recognize marriage.

Sorry you are wrong. I did a lot of studies when it comes to the bible. It was never originally stated marriage was between man and a woman, it was originally stated between two people who love each other in the eyes of god. It was changed when they re-written the bible to be easier to read and understand. They took it upon themselves to change the wording to "love between a man and a woman".

>The Bible already has rights on the term "marriage" and has defined what it means.

Tell me, when did the church Patton this word? Can you supply me proper proof? Again I call this bullshit.

>You want a union, fine...come up with your own name for it. Since marriage is "man and woman" and is already taken, you've gotta come up with something else.

Why should we have to be singled out as a different form of union when it's going to give us the same rights as straight people who get married? Makes no sense. Why should be have to be singled out and ridiculed?

>nothing like going with the flow, even if it is down the toilet.

I wouldn't call giving equal rights to EVERYONE as going down the toilet; I call it giving equal rights and equal treatment to everyone. It's also called catching up with other countries that have decided to legalize gay marriage and realize we are equal human beings.

In reply to:I learned to think for myself a long time ago, thank you Holy jumped up shit thats laughable, in fact I have a stitch in my side from laughing at it. Youv adopted the publically spoken jesus zelots stance. If you think thats free thought, your more brain washed then all the rest of the right wing conservative christians.You simply repeat what youv fbeen programmed to say, with teh exception that they can have a union so long as its not marriage.As far as im concerned you and your god can go piss up a rope and stuff your bible in your fiction writing asses.

The problem with arguing with Thor is that he subscribes to the GWB theorys and postulates. He cant hold an argument of this nature fbecause he does not like to be challenged, we are right back to Im right, your wrong, its not my fault you cant understand what Im saying, I tried to explain it to you
or if you prefer a direct quote from his leader:

"[A]s you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say."—Washington, D.C., Oct. 28, 2003 Geroge W. Bush.

Having equal rights and being equal human beings are two different things. Marriage recognizes this fact. It seems some people cannot.It doesn't mean gay folks are any less people...it just means that they are two men or two women, and not one of each. In other words, marriage recognizes reality. You don't alter the focus of the camera (change the definition of a word) so that it reflects a non-reality unless you've been brainwashed. Note that folks do that to themselves whenever they've been convinced that they are somehow less a person than somebody else. When gay people realize that they are no less valuable in the eyes of God than anybody else, they'll realize that they have no need to usurp God's definition of marriage.BTW, your definition of Biblical marriage is what you wish it to be, but is not what is found in the Bible. How is the homosexual act an abomination to God but marriage between two homosexuals OK? Sorry dude, but you are waaaay out to lunch on this one.

In reply to:The Bible already has rights on the term "marriage" and has defined what it means I don't think so. Religion made up marriage, so they should have the right to decide who get marriage and who doesn't. It how it still works in some countries, the Aztecs used to use it!mar·riage ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mrj)n. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife. The state of being married; wedlock. King Edward I and King Henry V both already said its religion who created marriage thus they own it! It's not only Christians who are apart of it, the jews and muslims are in it too. And since when is being gay a disease?? I was watching some show on Discovery, some Jewish Rabbi said that being gay is a disease, so is anti-semitism, and alcoholism.

>BTW, your definition of Biblical marriage is what you wish it to be, but is not what is found in the Bible. How is the homosexual act an abomination to God but marriage between two homosexuals OK? Sorry dude, but you are waaaay out to lunch on this one.

First off did I say the definition in the bible said between two people of the same sex? No I said the original definition of marriage was "Between two people who love each other under the eyes of god". You are the one who wishes to read more into what I am saying.

As for homosexual acts being an abomination... it was only called an abomination in the Old Testament. Incase you forgot you do not live you life based on the Old Testament, you learn from it. It's the New Testament you are to live you life by. In the New Testament it does state is a sin, but than again in the New Testament it states women should not me teachers or pastors. Are they going to hell too?

>Having equal rights and being equal human beings are two different things. Marriage recognizes this fact. It seems some people cannot.

Give me your differences between the two because in my book equal human rights and being equal human beings is the same thing. Either way if marriage recognizes either of these two things than it should and would allow marriage between homosexual couples.

And Chance, from everything I have witnessed... you are right.

And since when is being gay a disease?? I was watching some show on Discovery, some Jewish Rabbi said that being gay is a disease, so is anti-semitism, and alcoholism. it's not a disease. That's an old medical theory for homosexuals actually.Sadly the US just removed that theory from the military discharge that used to classify homosexuality as a disease.

The Jewish and Christian God are the same God, so the marriage covenant is the same for each. Not sure about Muslims or Aztecs...I wonder what their reaction to gay marriages is/would be?Let two gay guys try showing up over in Iran to get married and see what happens...I don't think it'd go down to well there either.

The guy put up really strong arguments, it was one of those late night shows, so it has swearing! The guys name was I think Dr. Medved. He said something that gays are ruinning our children and our economy! Yet, gay people work more and harder then jews, see the irony! This guy needs to hit!He keeps blamming everything on a German scietist. Dr. Schade or something around there.

Why is it sad that the discharge papers reflect the truth? Hmmm.As far as the military goes, I think that was one of the VERY few brillian things Clinton did. The whole "don't ask, don't tell" concept was right on the money.

Are you seriously trying to say homosexuals have a disease? If that's even remotely what you are saying you might not want to respond to the question because it will not be pretty.

"it's not a disease. That's an old medical theory for homosexuals actually.Sadly the US just removed that theory from the military discharge that used to classify homosexuality as a disease."Why would it be sad that the US just removed that theory unless you wanted it there?I don't think it's a disease...I think it's a combination of genetic predisposition and circumstantially influenced personal decision.