Ugly guys, hot girls? V/V?

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ive always believed that ugly guys could get with really hot girls if they did the following1. carried themselves with confidence, because confidence means power and women are attracted to power2. are well groomed, I.E well put together, follow good person hygieneetcbut still, ive heard the phrase 'out of his league' one too many times. and it makes me doubt myself. when people hear that i frenched this really hot girl, they act so suprised. not because we're an odd match, but because its like 'wow, you and her? isnt she a little out of your league?' and i dunno, what if i should lower my standards? ive never been confident but ive always taken a little solice in the idea that i could one day become as confident as say, tuckermax (www.tuckermax.com) i dunno, im very easy to influence negatively, and i guess im confused. im not just whining, i honestly think this is an interesting subject that could give insight to people other than just myself. any responses are appreciated.-max

Personally I've got to be seriously attracted to somebody physically before I would consider being intimate, but that said, the most georgous man out there wouldnt get a second shot with me if he wasnt too pushed on personal hygiene, so yeah, that is important. But what's georgous to me might be not so georgous to the next woman.. What people want is a combination of all sorts of things and is as individual as the person themselves. Regardless how you rate yourself physically, there will be women out there who'll sincerely think you're the living end, because you tick all their boxes. If you're a bit shy, that can be very endearing, so if you're just not very confident naturally and dont feel like you can pull it off as far as pretending that you are, then dont kill yourself trying. It's not a good idea anyway in my opinion, because the women you meet will want to know the real you, not some facade of who you wish you were.. The truth always comes out in the end and I'm pretty sure I'd see through an act in no time. If I felt like a man I'd met was trying to re-create his personality for my benefit I'd think twice about wheather I wanted to be with somebody who obviously wasnt comfortable in his own skin..

I totally and completely agree with starfish. I just want to add that just because other people say she's out of your league doesn't mean she is, that's just their opinion, and she probably thinks she's really lucky. My boyfriend tells me that he thinks i'm out of his league, but I feel the same way about him; and we're great together, it's awesome!

Eh, I look like shit and feel like shit a lot and I manage to get some hot chicks. I don't think they just date me for my hygeine.

i hav to admit that i had a shallow moment like that yesterday. iv been with my bf a month now - ok basic background - im from oz but in the us for this year,i knew him b4 i eft but not very wel. most of the time we spent together i had a boyfriend so i wasnt really looking. so long distance relationship for the last month,he finally sent me a pic yesterday n i am quite ashamed to say i looked at it n went wat the?? not cuz hes ugly cuz hes not,n im FAR from hot but ... after scolding myself n rembering that i love him dearly and im not a shallow bitch i looked at the pic again n noticed he has really nice green eyes im not gona elaborate but after a closer look i quite like his appearance.... i miss him cant wait to b homeum wait wat was my point?....yea thers no real reason y "ugly" guys n "hot" girls cant b together - its not the face its the whole package that counts,n any girl who wnt go out with u cuz ur not up to "standard" is full of crap n not worth ur timen u r NOT n should never b called "ugly" u r beautiful hugs

lol

yea he does hav a really nice face - hes not the guy u look at n go omg hes so hot- but i love him n i think hes beautiful,he has really nice soft features sigh i miss him cant wait to b home

wats the definition of hot anyways?? iv never gone for hot guys cuz i knew it wouldnt happen,but wat is it that makes someone "hot"??

i duno wat it is but i kno its not me lol

I think JapanFan would see it as Julian (I had to say it)