did i get a choice? did my dad get a choice? nope, so, the answer is, no, unless the lady hase soemthing to say about it, snippy snippy That is some seriously flawed logic. "That's how we always did it" can be used to justify everything from slavery to bleeding people to cure their diseases. I hope your son (if you have one) isn't a deep thinker -- for your sake.
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Circumcision should be outlawed
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you hope my kids an idiot? thanks, so, are you calling my dad an idiot to? for having me circumsised? and his dad? Its parental disgresion. and don't tell me I'm wrong, If i was wrong, i would have had the choice, and acutaly FYI, I'm happy i was, and I'm damnd sure that if i have a boy, he will be to!
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No, I think the idea that something is good because that's how it's always been done is not very bright. For the sake of harmony in your family, it would be good if your son wasn't clever enough to realize that. Wouldn't it be worse if at age 15 he thought about the fact that he was missing his foreskin, and resented you for doing it to him? Why do you think you know how he'll feel about it?Circumcision is not common in most of the non-Islamic world except for the U.S., and the rate of circumcision is dropping here. It's not weird to have a foreskin, and there are arguably good reasons for it. If you're interested, you can search the many threads that have been posted on the topic.> If i was wrong, i would have had the choiceWhat does that mean? Having the choice wouldn't be wrong, and if you wanted the circumcision, you could have chosen to have one. I don't see the advantage in being deprived of the choice.
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I for one do dislike my parents for having me circumcised;in fact they waited until I was 6 years old to have it done and I can remember it to this day! The good side is that I found a doctor who taught me how to stretch my shaft skin and then he did surgery to make a closure. It might not be the real thing, but for me it works just fine. Yes, it took almost 13 years to complete, the the wait and time was well worth it. Parents a few words of advise.... please wait to have your boy circumcised, if it is not necessary and not for religious grounds (and even that could be debated) let the boy make the decision and not make it for him.
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ok, first of all, why are you harping on me about it? its not like im the only one who has ever in the history of the universe decided they wanted to have their kid circumsied, its just my opinion, i am not changing it, so why dont you just leave it alone?
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You chose to post on the topic and state your opinion. You got a response. Other people read this stuff. If you're going to say, "I'm going to get my kid circumcised, and that's just the way it is" [paraphrase], then don't be surprised if you get a response asking about your reasoning. Debates about circumcision have been going on here for years.
You may not change your mind, but if one other person stops and thinks about circumcising their child, rather than just mindlessly doing it, it will all have been worthwhile.
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ok, you want my reasons why? fine, because, from what I hear, being uncircumsized is a royal pain in the ass, where as bein circumsized is far easyer, less hassel, none of this "streching" stuff, because if i dont have it done, I'm gonna have to teach him how and i dont have the foggiest how, and i really would rather just have it cut off and save the hassle
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So rather than leaning the simple steps required, you'd just have it cut off? You wouldn't suggest that his testicles be removed because he might someday develop testicular cancer, would you?
Problems with foreskin happen. Sometimes a circumcision is medically indicated. But those cased are quite rare. On a forum like this, you don't have people posting about how much they like their foreskin; you get some of the relatively small number of guys who have problems.
Some arguments against circumcision:
o a foreskin contains a lot of nerve endings
o the frenulum, which connects the foreskin to the bottom of the head of the penis, is very sensitive
o the head of the penis is a mucous membrane (like the inside of your mouth), and when the foreskin is removed, it dries out, hardens, and becomes like ordinary skin
o the foreskin helps some guys when masturbating
o the foreskin may or may not serve some useful mechanical purpose during intercourseI'm not saying that circumcising someone is like killing them, but it seems like a basic right that everyone should have is the right to decide whether they have their own foreskin surgically removed. If someone wants to do it for whatever reason, that's fine, but it should be their own choice.
You should also think about the reasons many North Africans use to justify "circumcision" of girls.
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In reply to: Female genital modification has been outlawed world-wide, why not male. Hmm. Never thought about that one! Good point!
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Unfortuantely, female genital mutilation has not been outlawed world-wide, as far as I know. However, FGM cannot be compared to male circumcision. Information on FGM from the World Health Organization
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We're in a forum called "Foreskin and Circumcision issues". Perhaps the forum be deleted from this site, but the discussion seems to be "in bounds". I haven't seen any foul language yet.It may be an old and repetetive discussion if you've been around for more than a short while, but there are always a lot of new people who have never thought about it. To me circumcision seemed matter-of-fact until I read more about it a while back.
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There's a difference between mutilation and circumcision.
I hope there is atleast! Buzzie does have a point, tho!
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Medically FGM and male circumcision are very different, but phiosophically, comparisons can be drawn, chief among them that the recipient of the procedure has no choice.
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excelent point, better remove the legs to incase he gets a clot, oh, remove the brain incase of brain cancer, heart, take it out, cant have a heart attakc if you aint got a heart, theres a big difference between cuttign a small thing of skin for convinience and cuttign off body parts for possabilities
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I think its the parents who are responsible for most of what we say and do because we grow up learning mostly what they say and do. So we turn out generally how our parents wanted whether they like it or not. So if they want to circumcise thier children shouldnt that be up to them as well? I think its a pretty small thing compared to some of the other decisions they make for us. Thier just doing what they think is best for until we come to an age when we can decide for ourselves. Its not like they can wait till we're adults and then say "what kind of person do you want to be?". Thats just the way it is.
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It's a difference in degree, but the point remains the same. For the vast majority of boys, having a foreskin is not a problem, and therefore unecessary surgery is being performed on an infant who is getting circumcised. Complications are rare, but they do happen.A foreskin is more than just "a small thing of skin." If you don't have one and you are not familiar with its purpose, you shouldn't jump to conclusions. What did you think of the list of purposes the foreskin serves, given above?What is wrong with the idea of one's child his own choice in the matter? Why does it have to be done to him?@ cal_bell: I am circumcised, and I wish that I was not. Likewise for a bunch of people who have posted to this forum, some of whom have gone through the difficult effort of foreskin restoration (although the nerve endings that went with the real foreskin are gone forever).Parents set the environment in how their children are raised, but they don't own their children's bodies. If you decide that not allowing your child access to medical care for an acute problem (like a severe infection) on religious grounds, a court can force you to allow your child to be treated (at least in the U.S.).I wish I were given the choice in circumcision. I don't hold it against my parents for having done it, but I would not have had it done if it were up to me.
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well, i am circumsised and damn glad of it, i would never stop my kid form reciving medical atention for a problem, deffinatly not on religious grounds seeing as im an athiest, not sure how that entered into the disscusion but whatever
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It's fine that you're circumcised and glad of it. The problem is that your son, like me and a lot of other people, might not be glad that they are circumcised. It would be really easy not to do the circumcision and let the boy decide for himself when he's old enough to make an informed choice.
Do you like everything that your father likes?
I don't understand what drives the decision to have an infant circumised, if religion is not an issue. Most of the men in the world, including non-Molsem and non-Jewish Europeans, don't have it done. They're not all clamoring to get circumcised; for the most part, guys who have a foreskin seem to be satisfied with them.
The medical care comparison is to make the point that you don't own your child's body, and it is not right that you can do whatever you want to it. A surgical procedure of dubious necessity for an infant is something I would question.
Do you have any comments about the list of reasons one might want to have a foreskin?
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Hmm. Does the Father and mother have to sign the circumcison papers? I think there are papers, not sure.
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very well thought out, soemone could also make a list as to why its a good thing, I woudl liek to know, as a point of intrest, what choice would you have made if you had had the choice to make? would you get a circumsision today if you had not been circumsised as a infant?