Polygamy

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Polygamy is defined as:"The term polygamy (literally many marriages in late Greek) is used in related ways in social anthropology and sociobiology and sociology.In social anthropology, polygamy is the practice of marriage to more than one spouse simultaneously (as opposed to monogamy where each person has only one spouse at a time). Like monogamy, the term is often used in a de facto sense, applying regardless of whether the relationships are recognized by the state (see marriage for a discussion on the extent to which states can and do recognize potentially and actually polygamous forms as valid).In sociobiology, polygamy is used in a broad sense to mean any form of multiple mating. In a narrower sense, used by zoologists, polygamy includes a pair bond, perhaps temporary." (from Wikipedia)What are your views on this?!?!?! I think its so DISTURBING!!! Lets see if we can get a good conversation on this

in lamens terms, having 2+ spouse...hmmmm, i supose it takes soem of the intimacy out of the relation ship. great if your tring to increase the population of the country and the women out number the men, rather barbaric thoguh, i wouldnt want two+ wives i dont think, but as long as it isnt illigal, i dont see a problem in it

In Utah it leads to a lot of people on welfare, where raping the government is part of the belief system. It also leads to a lot of older adolescents being kicked out of their families when they become a competive threat to the old perverted bastards with multiple wives of various ages.The boys who get sent away are pretty screwed. They lose their whole social structure, and have great difficulty getting on with their lives. There's a big socal and financial cost there.Polygamy is illegal in the U.S., but we seem to be more concerned with gay marriage and celebrity births than polygamy. Meanwhile, the taxpayers just keep bleeding.

there is that

Steve, your wrong on this one, well sort of, your mostly right...what you speak of is two different poly clans, the kingstons and colorado city.The kingstons are a fucked up bunch, and have been arrested many times (different members) and they abuse the welfare system and own some businesses on the side as well, and all the daughters marring uncles and shit thats all pretty well documented and some of them are being dealt with, then you have the colorado city shit..Thats a whole new fucking mess, they got all the same problems, the fraud and other shit but took it to a new level.Colorado city is in Arizona, just a few short miles from the Utah border, near St George Utah. young MALE teens are often found ostracised and wandering hte desert and into St George because they COMPETE with the older men for the girls, they served thier purpose of working on the land, all the other bullshit, and then are pushed out into a society that they were told is bad and evil. there is a rescue group down there that takes them in as well as invading colorado city, thatsall owned by one guy, and lets his people live in houses he wons, actually he owns the whole fucking town, its a private place but listed as a actual town. Look up Warren Jeffs, he jstu got arrested after being a fugative for a long while, got hsi ass near las vegas a few weeks ago. anyways they go into the town at night and kidnap these young girls that contacted them, take them out of the situation of being forced to marry thier uncle and shit. Get them into foster homes and schools and shit try to help them get straight.Is a huge fucking mess, its not really poly, as its all arranged and forced and involves minors and adults. actualy poly is a fucked up thing on its won, but atleast most shit holes where it is practiced is set up between consenting adults.Your mostly right, aside from not knowoing all the details that you see daily living here.Its not the entiere state that does it, just a few society shit holes, some around Lehi, on the jordan river, the kingstons and the arizona connection.incidently Jeffs was building anew compound in texas and another someplace else that slips my mind right now. its more wide spread then just this shithill called Utah. Seemed to me you missed a bit of info was all. with what I addedf, anyone with google can find out al they want to know about the utah/Colorado poly life and the results and desciples of warren jeffs and all the court documents of the kingston fiasco.Here its mostly overlooked, unless they start draining welfare or abusing children.I dont know why I guess its a pain to enforce unless they commit other crimes to be charged with that eat up money ?

I musta missed those broadcasts, but I live here and I see the shit, and the jeffs shit, one of the 3 best friends I have that I have seen proof they would do anything for me and Id do the same for them, grew up in colorado city, he still goes back once in a while to see his mom, he has no clue what woman that really is, one dad, but 7 moms and he doesnt even know what one is his birth mother. I know they do, but they never told him, and asking, got your ass beat by the old man.He knows jeffs from personal experiences growing up, he was tossed out at 17, skimmed around a bit then joined the navy at 18. He lives in Salt Lake city now, about 20 minutes from me, hes far from normal just got married, to a single woman, doesnt plan on havig more wives, fand is currently 29 years old.I got alot of info from him about growing up there, him and his cousin, and his brother thaft I know. He hates that shit, and fits all tied back into fundamentalist mormon shit. I know he was once invited on Oprah, and turned it down not wnating ot drag all that shit out in the open and give the world his image and name. Im havig a hard itme keeping congruent thoughts tonight, I think I need another drink, and less internet, aside form teh dane cook clips Iv been watching for the past hour between random runs through a2a.Fucking mornings gonna suck, god damned hang overs.

Got the kids this weekend, They shall never see me stoned.Next weekend, thats another story...do a little fall camping in black rock canyon, sleep in the back of the truck withteh carpet kit made into the bed and the shell open, and smoke a bit watching the stars, or huddled in the shell cold, but dry while rain pours around the truck, either way, Im looking forward to next weekend, unless of course life gets in my way and cancels it, then Ill be sitting at home, smoking a fatty in the garage and laughing my ass off watching stupid movies on cable.

OK, so not all polygamists are Warren Jeffs cultists, and some polygamist families are financially independent. But having so many spare males is still damaging to society. Places in Asia that have too many males because they're aborting females are also heading for trouble, although in that case, women get to pick and choose.
I don't see what's in it (polygamy) for women. They get a fraction of a husband, who's screwing a bunch of other women. People are so easily brainwashed, so it not that hard to understand.

Human beings are not a monogamist species, we're ment to have multiple partners. The fact we force ourselves to remain with one partner is the main reason so many relationships fuck up. Don't source me on this, but I've heard it many times before.

Ever wish that you either hadnt had that drink or hadnt touched the computer?Right now Im leaning more towards wishing Id had 2 or 3 drinks less then I did but bear with me thru the headache and lets see if I can straighten out the fucking mess I made last night...First off I was trying to show something that I I felt you had wrong, sober today it seems much less wrong then it did when I stumbled on it last night.I think I can end this post rather quikly by stating that "not all polygamists are Warren Jeffs cultists, and some polygamist families are financially independent"was the biggest thing I wasnted to get across last night and did it in a far more lengthy and fucked up way then you did with that single sentence.The other part ws that Utah always gets the blame for this shit.Utah is a fucked up place, no argument there, the politics, the bullshit laws, the "Church", the taxes, the sin taxes, all of that shit, plus the fact that Utah and Idaho are the only ones who did not drop gas prices, wel ok they did but by about 9 cents per gallon, while the rest of the country enjoyed a average of 5 to 60 cents lower then it is here and in idaho.anyways... Utah is a fucked up place full of backward red neck hick bastards, Il never argue that it isnt, I live here, i see it daily, but Utah is not the sole shit hill of the poly marriages.The Kingstons and the Jeffs mess in Colorado city, those illistrate the worst mes that it can be, but outside of those two examples I didnt mean to pass on that it was a great idea.What women get out of it I can only assume to guess based on a study of some familys here in utah that are members of it.the first reasons they listed was God wants it this way, it makes us stronger.The other shit had to do with that they knew who thier hiusband was with, that they all contributed to the family bank account, that no single woman had to have sex all the time, they could have a break and let the others have the sex duties, and tha tmostly it is the first wife that sleeps with the man, the others have thier own rooms dont always have to have sex and can live a comfortable life mprotected by thier man, and still be somewhat of a recluse.Now Im paraphrasing al of what I said, I cant think of what the study was called or who did it, its been a few years since I saw it, and my memory may not be accurate, and since it was based on a single family or atleast a small group in one community, the whole piece may of been flawed to begin with.Actually ffthinking about it now I belive it may of beena piece on tv I saw with in the last 2 to 3 years, I know I was watching it with my current love, so its had to be no more then the week before valentines of 2003. it could of been dateline, or 20/20 ? it was one of the news shows, possibly 60 minutes.Anyways, I just dont want Utah being all the blame carrier, plus put out that its not all like the cultist that people see on tv or read in the magazines and carious internet sites.

Well, Ash, personally I've found one woman at a time more than enough headache for this lifetime

LOL!!!well thats that then hehe

I wouldnt agree with you there at all kmrobins, though you're entitled to your view of course. I think the fact that we are generally unwilling to remain with one partner is the main reason so many relationships fuck up.

Well, Ash, as long as I'm only WITH one woman at any particular moment, that works out just fine And I think I'd crawl to Canada on my knees for you, darlin'

oooooooh well then....cough

I'm not sure how I'd explain it to the border guards, though...

LOL!!yeah....you can think of that on the way over

Perhaps if in my passport photo I looked driven and had my tongue lolling out....

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what i cant work out is why a woman would want to b in a relationship with a man who was also seeing several other women...whats the attraction to that?