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Hmmm....likes to dish it out but can't take it?Just one thing...before you go talking about what's in the Bible, try reading it for yourself. Just once.

I'll let you figure this one out yourself. If you've followed the thread at all, you'll see I've already answered your post. (Hint: It has to do with Christ fulfilling the Law)

and have never claimed to be the "great Christian" as you perport.Glad to hear you say that. If you don’t even class yourself as a great Christian than you certainly have no right to try and chastise others in the form of religion. Actually I believe there is a part in the bible where it states you should not try and teach other religion if you yourself do not practice what you preach… for that is a sin as well. >But I WILL tell you that there is a difference between being a follower of Christ and a member of a church or a religion.I agree with you. I haven’t attended church in a long time, well other than the funerals of this past summer. But as stated in the bible one does not need to a place of sanction to praise and worship the lord. I know where my heart lies when it comes to the Lord and that’s all that matters. >You want to find out what's in the Bible? Read it for yourself!!! No surprise there.Guess you missed the statement in my last post where I said I have read the bible.>I think you've got issues that stem from the way you deal with being gay, but that doesn't mean I don't like you because you're gay.What to elaborate? I think you need to go back and read my many posts on this site when it comes to homosexuality. I have no issues being gay; I am comfortable and secure with myself when it comes to my sexuality. That’s not even an issue.I never said you don’t like me because I am gay, I merely mean how you come across disliking homosexuality in general. There is a big difference between the two. But what you need to truly understand we are not affecting your life directly. We are not out to harm you, we just want to live our lives and be happy just like everyone else. I certainly see no harm in that. Perhaps if people would butt their noses out of our lives and get back to living their lives they would see this.>I'd say let everyone into heaven...but that's not the way it works. There are our actions, and then there are consequences. God controls the consequences. It's up to us to learn the right lessons.Fair enough but let other people learn these right lessons; they don’t need people like you trying to force-feed what the right lessons are. You think because I am homosexual I go to hell, where I don’t. Either way this does not affect you, only person it can affect is myself so let me deal with it. Hopefully you get my point.

While I admit I'm no great Christian, I still can see with my own two eyes and think with my little brain. If the Bible says "left" and somebody goes "right", it's not too hard to see the difference and say something. To see it and not say something IS a sin. After having said something, then you can turn away and leave them to their own devices. The Bible is full of examples of this...including Christ's own actions. But as far as "force-feeding" anyone is concerned, they all (and you) have the right not to read it, or to simply ignore it. It's actually a very easy thing to do when one is sure about one's own convictions...hard to do when one is full of doubt and uncertainty.

As far as your "dealing" with being gay, I was referring to the whole issue concerning "marriage". How one can turn their back on certain portions of the Bible and yet attempt to stand the Christian world on its ear over the issue of gay "marriage" is beyond me. I am also certain that a sizeable percentage of the gay population is looking for validation in the eyes of others...how could that not be true? But my point is that your attitude towards me changed a great deal as a result of being on opposite sides of the arguement. It was nothing personal on my side...why attempt to make it so?

To see it and not say something IS a sin.Please point to me in the bible where is says this, because I certainly remember it more stating to ‘mind your own business’ because it’s not your place to say anything; that’s Gods role. >But as far as "force-feeding" anyone is concerned, they all (and you) have the right not to read it, or to simply ignore it. It's actually a very easy thing to do when one is sure about one's own convictions...hard to do when one is full of doubt and uncertainty.First off you need to get it through your head I have no doubt or uncertainty when it comes to my sexuality and my relationship with God; I find it rather offensive that you keep making references that I do. Again you are judging.Secondly, just because you CAN say something doesn’t mean you always should. I think most people have an issue with you, with what I call force-feeding, is because you come off thinking your way is the only way. You also come off like you are trying to push your views down other people’s throats. It’s okay to have your own views and no one is expecting for your views to change, but just because they are your views doesn’t mean they need to be everyone else’s views. That goes along with the fact just because they are your views, doesn’t mean it’s something a whole nation should adapt to and call it law.>How one can turn their back on certain portions of the Bible and yet attempt to stand the Christian world on its ear over the issue of gay "marriage" is beyond me.You seem to do this all the time. As we have all been trying to tell you, there are many things in the bible that people do not adhere to and yet call themselves Christians. Prime example would be female pastors and female teachers (who are Christians of course); they are going against the bible. If you eat pork, you go against the bible as well. ETC ETC ETC>I am also certain that a sizeable percentage of the gay population is looking for validation in the eyes of others...how could that not be true?For some homosexual’s it might have some to do with validation but I can tell you for certain that the large amount of the gay population simply wants to be treated equal. We are human beings of this country, we are citizens of this country and all we expect is to be treated with the same decency as every other citizen. Some reason you have this idea that homosexuals are not comfortable with themselves, more than not we are very comfortable with ourselves. >But my point is that your attitude towards me changed a great deal as a result of being on opposite sides of the arguement. It was nothing personal on my side...why attempt to make it so?You have me quit wrong. I don’t hate you or even dislike you. Just when I see someone being a hypocrite when trying to tell me I am going to hell, I’ll certainly call him or her out. And I don’t do it to be mean, I do it to show that no one is perfect and no one should be judging another persons life unless they themselves are perfect. You might think I am going to hell, and that’s fine; that’s your opinion. But as long as I am comfortable with my relationship with God and myself than that’s all that should matter, plain and simple.

Well I never said you are going to hell...for the record. Those are words you have attempted to put into my mouth on more than one occasion, including your last post in this thread. Is it an attempt to garner sympathy in some way? Whatever the reason, it's getting old.

As for the Bible, it seems you remember certain things and completely disregard (or don't remember) others things...that explains a lot about what you've printed concerning the Bible. The reason for this is know only to you and God. Whatever the reason, I've said my piece. All I ask is that you discontinue putting hatefull words into my mouth. That is decidedly un-Christian and certainly in poor form.

Poor form? You can twist the words all you want, but when you call someones life an abomination, it's not putting words in your mouth.>As for the Bible, it seems you remember certain things and completely disregard (or don't remember) others thingsThat statement sounds very familiar to someone else... hmm who is that.. oh yes, you.

"...but when you call someones life an abomination..."
I'll skip the observation that seems to indicate that your life is all about sex an nothing else and get to the point:
**Show me in what post I made that says what you indicate. Now.**
"An abomination" is what the Bible calls the homosexual act...NOT the person...and NOT the person's life. The act alone. Again, those are NOT my words, but from the Bible. Get it straight.

There has been several times throughout our endless debates that you have called homosexuality an abomination, in turn calling me an abomination because I am homosexual. Again you can twist it how ever you want... true you never said "Eddie you're an abomination" but in my book there is no difference in calling me directly an abomination or my sexuality an abomination since a persons sexuality is part of who they are.>Get it straightSorry I'm gay

If you can't separate the person from the behavior as two different things, then it's going to be very difficult, if not impossible, to understand fully the Bible.There is the person...then there is the behavior. Since a person is much more than just the simple summation of what they do, behaviors and people are two separate things. This is the basis behind the concept of loving the sinner but hating the sin.

How do I say this to make it clear without confusion?Homosexuality is not a behavior, a behavior you can change. Sexuality is not something you can change unless you are going to lie to yourself but even than your sexuality does not change it’s just masked. So no I cannot separate myself from my sexuality because it’s part of who I am.We can argue until we are both blue in the face, but you’ll never convince me that loving someone is going to send me to hell or be a sin, just because this person is of the same sex. Just as I will not convince you of my opinion, so the point is moot.

And i have read the bible very much so. i went to religious education and Ive been in a catholic school since eight grade where we pray in the mornings and occasionally go to church so in your face.

If I were a Chirstian, I'd be most concerned with what Jesus discussed and focused on. He and his followers shot random holes into the Hebrew scriptures, so apparently it's now OK to eat pork, but it's still not OK to screw a pig. In any case, Jesus didn't dwell on the Old Testaments prescriptions and proscriptions regarding sex, so it's a puzzle to me why so many evangelical Christians are so sex-obsessed.You did say that homosexual acts are an abomination.Jesus Himself said nothing about homosexual acts. He said nothing about homosexuality. He did say that you should not judge, lest ye be judged, and he asked who among us is free of sin that we may cast the first stone. He also spent a lot of time talking about compassion, and about how we treat the least among us; the way you treat the least among us is in turn how you treat Him.The idea of an evangelical Christian conservative Republican is the biggest oxymoron I can think of. Try reading the Sermon on the Mount and the Republican platform. They negate each other.Have you read the Gospel of Matthew lately? You don't sound anything like the guy in that book who does most of the talking.You're also doing a poor job of spreading the gospel.

so, what is it exactly that you have against Homosexuality? I see nothing rong with it, in the words of a great comedian Lewis black "I hear lots of politicians saying homosexuality is a threat to the american family...what i dont hear them saying is how, is there a group that go around in dark cloaks, sneek up to a good american house, and start ASS RAPING THE FAMILY!!!another american family ruined!!!! No, this doesnt hapen!so how does it harm the average american family?" I paraphrazed, but you get the jist of it. So you have a book from thousands of years ago that NOONE can adhear to EVERY god damn rule in it, even you, and you critisize these people for being, oh i dunno, HUMAN. See, even i just broke one of the ten big ones there, i used the "lords" name in vain, so there, I'm goign to hell for 2 words. shitty

rvb - I don't see things as being nearly so extreme. The whole concept of the Bible was that folks couldn't obey the rules...hence, the need for Christ. He was sacrificed, in a similar way that animals were sacrificed under the law as found in the Old Testament, for our sakes. Does this mean you're going to hell for saying a few bad words? Only God can say, but I seriously doubt it...as long as you accept that Christ was sacrificed for you. Does this make saying the bad words OK? Nope...not the same thing.As for gays, I believe there is a predisposition for being so due to genetics...they are born with a predisposition for being gay. They, like the rest of us, have choices to make. Is it fair? Nope...nobody ever said it was. Does this mean I have something against them? Nope...not the case at all. But when they (or anybody else) tries to change something very sacred (according to my beliefs), I disagree with it (the whole "marriage" issue)...that's all.

But when they (or anybody else) tries to change something very sacred (according to my beliefs), I disagree with it (the whole "marriage" issue)...that's all.Okay fine, but than why go as far as calling out a scripture saying we're an abomination? (Which I do want to clear by saying that it was never stated as so from a scripture from Jesus stating so). You just stated above how everyone sins, and Christ was placed on earth to cleanse our sins. Not to mention there is no sin greater than any other sin. But this is only valid if you feel homosexuality is a sin, which I don’t. I don’t see how loving someone can be a sin. I think lying to one self and living a life of internal agony would be a sin within itself.But than you even say how you feel genetically we are predisposition to be gay, though than you start talking about a choice which seems pretty contradictory. If someone is genetically predisposition a certain way, it’s than not also a choice to be that way. I can tell you now; no one in his or her right mind would choose to be gay. No one would choose a life where they are going to be ridiculed, be treated like less of a citizen and have the possibility of being attacked/killed. It’s just not going to happen.

look, marriage, in the first place, is only an arbitrary ceremony that we feel is important and say its the man and woman comeing together, yada yada yada, if i went back in time to the moment we created marriage, i could change it so...it was a festivle for turnips, honestly, doesnt it shame you thta you would rather clign to tradition like gum in hair than let others who differ from you join in on this arbirtary ceremony. If god is all powerful, all knowing, then why did he bother with humans in the first place? he got bored, wanted a new pet? we are not a supream race of beings, infact, we're a pretty useless group, so if this god is any good, why didnt he do a good job?

I follow your thinking...but contest it. If we are as trivial as you suggest, then how could it be possible that we know enough to know our true worth to God? I've heard it said before that we (humans) will sing a portion of the song in heaven that nobody else can sing. Might there be some figurative truth to this? Put another way, how can we, with an IQ of 100, write a test that would accurately predict the IQ of somebody who's IQ was 1,000? I'd say we'd have to be at least as smart as God (if not more) before we could say with any certainty that He made a mistake in creating us. You'd have to know God's plans in order to know if we are a mistake or not. Then there's that issue of him losing his only son (Christ) to save us all (if you believe in that)...I'd say that's a pretty strong statement as to our worth in God's eyes.

"It's in Christ that we find out who we are and what we are living for."Ephesians 1:11"Whichever one of you is the most humble is the greatest."Luke 9:48"We should have great peace if we did not busy ourselves with what others say and do."Thomas a Kempis"When you look into water, you see a likenss of your face. When you look into your heart, you see what you are really like."Proverbs 27:19"No one who loves others will harm them. So love is all that the Law demands."Romans 13:10"Words kill, words give life; they're either poison or fruit - you choose."Proverbs 18:21 "Don't speak evil against each other, my dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize each other and condemn each other, then you are criticizing and condemning God's law."Jmaes 4:11"How much easier it is to be critical than correct."Benjamin Disraeli"The whole Law can be summed up in this one command: ' Love others as you love yourself.' But if instead of showing love among yourselves you are always critical and catty, watch out! Beware of ruining each other."Galatians 5:14-15"Preach the gospel at all times; only if necessary, use words."St. Frances of Assisi"What you are shouts so loud in my ears that I cannot hear what you say."Ralph Waldo Emerson"It is a great deal bette rto live a holy life than to talk about it. Lighthouses do not rings bells and fire off cannons to call attention to their shining- they just just."Dwight L. Moody"Wise people act in keeping with the knowledge they have. But foolish people show how foolish they are."Proverbs 13:16Just some quotes I like... I thought they were a little bit relevent. If you don't think so... Well, they are something for you to think about, I suppose.

No most likely it is not, as a matter of fact, I am making a site soon that basically discusses things like this.and don't worry I am also adding a disclaimer saying this is my opinion not fact.But as much as I read on it, no it is not a sin, some believe it's sin because you experince emotions only meant for marriage, however after reading the bible, I have found out it really does not say anything about non married sex/masturbation being a sin at all.Fornication in the bible means both Whore and Adultry, adultery means cheating on your spouse, and I believe it is also stated still cheating even if they die unless you remarry.another place people think masturbation is a sin is because god supposidly killed a guy because of Masturbation however this is a lie, if you read who they are reffering to it clearly states that the husband of the women the guy was having sex was diedhis brother was suppose to bare a child with her, however he has sex with the girl but would not ejackulate in her there for was killed. according to the story.In my opinion Masturbation is actually probably the better side of things, because while your horny bad things can happen if you masturbate these are less likely to happen.