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A high percentage of posts contain ad hominem attacks against the person to whom you're responding. There is a tendency attack the person rather than the subject of the argument. (Would you like me to list some the many, many examples?)Does that count as judgement? How finely do you think you can parse the word "judgement"?Are you secretly doing the bidding of some atheist organization? You're the best marketing campaign against Christianity I've seen in quite a while.

no, there isnt a diffrence, you dont say to Ted Bundie "you've done some terrible things, but oh what the hell, you seem like a nice guy, lets do lunch", and besides, even if i'm wrong, even if there is a difference, your still judging, your still stepping over your bound as a meer human, No man has the right to judge a man, or his actions, lest he and his actions be judged likewise, I'm sure thats how paul would have written it had he read this debate.

I disagree...we have a responsibility to judge anothers actions according to the Bible. Go back and look at the verses I quoted.

John 8:15 --> "You judge by appearances, but I do not judge anyone."Are you sure you're not a Pharisee?

Well on the subject of the difference (and I do believe there is a difference) between assessing a person and the individual actions of a person, I always speak to my son like this:He'll often say, as kids do 'I hate him because..' and he'll go on to explain why he 'hates' a person, some kid in his class or neighbourhood usually. I always point out to him that it is what this person does that is generating a negative feeling within him, not the person as a whole. So I take the 'because..' in his sentence and try to make him see that it is the behaviour, not the person, which is causing him offence.Now, this discussion has got to this point as a result of discussing the morality or otherwise of homosexual sex as far as I remember. I'm not with Thor on this one, because being something of an agnostic I dont feel I'm in a position to say if there is any immorality involved, in any case, my first gut sense would tell me that love is unconditional, but I do believe there is a difference between assessing a person and a persons individual behaviours, and I think it's a pretty big difference.

ROFL..Yeah, I agree... I started laughing too.>I disagree...we have a responsibility to judge anothers actions according to the Bible. Whatever you say. If you feel like that is REALLY what God calls you to do, then by all means, do it. If you think that is such an important part of your personal Christian beliefs, then far be it from me to tell you you're wrong. Who knows, maybe the Holy Spirit is guiding you in your judgements..... You seem to think so.

I think there's some confusion between being Christian and being Christ.

no, you dont have a responsability to judge! doesnt matter if you judge with or without the bible! "judge not least ye be judged yourself" are you unfamiliar with the word NOT, judge not, as in do not judge, you donot have a responsability to judge, why cant you just live your own life? why do you have to tell someone what is wrong with their life or what their doing wrong?

why do you have to tell someone what is wrong with their life or what their doing wrong?When not asked.There are some conflicts between the Old and New Testaments, and sometimes people choose the most convenient passage. For instance, do we respond to a wrong with "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", or do we "turn the other cheek", so it too can be slapped?

Thor reminds me of Bill O'Reiley is his form of arguing; ignoring the points mentioned and making personal attacks towards the other person when thoroughly stumped. Way to be a good repulican Thor.

I could make a point that the sun will rise tomorrow...but I'm afraid it won't have much to do with what is being discussed. Your comment isn't any more relavant, though.It seems that when somebody doesn't understand something, the response is to attack it. Some have said it's human nature to mock what we dont' understand. I'm seeing that's true here in this thread. Too bad...going about life that way means never learning anything new. At least starfish understood. At least there's one.

At least starfish understood. At least there's one.She might have "Understood" but she also didn't agree with you, which is more of the point.>It seems that when somebody doesn't understand something, the response is to attack it.Like you have done in many of your posts?>Some have said it's human nature to mock what we dont' understand. I'm seeing that's true here in this thread. Too bad...going about life that way means never learning anything new.Same can be said about you Thor. How many people have tried to get you to see the other side of things and not to mention to help clarify you confusion on the bible but you completely ignore those comments or questions. Are you scared you might realize you were wrong about something?I have no problems with you being against homosexuals, that’s your choice. But with that being said, when you start misquoting the bible and using that as your reason, I have an issue with it.

LOL...you're going to try to sell others the idea that I'm against homosexuals in every thread and post now, aren't you? You're consistant...just consistantly wrong! I've already explained my position, so won't bother with it again. Anyone interested can find it in previous posts. Suffice it to say, Eddie, you're out to lunch on what constitutes my opinion on homosexuals.

As far as the Bible goes, I'll just ask you to show me what passage I missquoted according to your claim. Good luck.

BTW, you'll have to admit that if you can't even understand what I'm talking about, it's no wonder we disagree. However, the concept in question comes from the Bible...perhaps you need to read it a little more carefully if you expect to have a FULL understanding. starfish seems way ahead of you, and she's not even Christian!

starfish seems way ahead of you, and she's not even Christian!In your opinion, which you're allowed to have. But don't try and tell me what I understand and what I don't. And the belittle statement just makes me laugh and a waste of your time.And it's easy to see how you feel about homosexuals, in the fact you agree with the OLD TESTAMENT view that homosexuality is an abomination. Not much a person can take out of context to that. You cannot think it’s an abomination and than okay with it. That would be more than contradictory. >As far as the Bible goes, I'll just ask you to show me what passage I missquoted according to your claim. Good luck.It’s more in your misunderstanding of the scriptures. There is never a time when it’s okay to judge, unless you are perfect yourself, which no one is unless you are Christ himself (which again you are not). It’s okay to dislike someone actions, but you are still not inclined to judge that person. But with that being said, if it makes you feel better and you feel you are in the right to judge others, that’s fine but you might want to reconsider preaching to others about religion, especially Christianity because some of your actions on this board have given some of us Christians a bad name.

OK...I can't tell you what you do and don't understand, but you can tell me how I misunderstand scriptures? That's pure hypocracy."You cannot think it’s an abomination and than okay with it. That would be more than contradictory."If you understood what starfish does, then you'd understand why the statement above that you made makes no sense.

I am not having this pissing contest with you.. again it's all pointless.Are we done yet because at this point this debate as ran dry.

> It seems that when somebody doesn't understand something, the response is to attack it.

Often the response is rather to attack the person presenting the information or making the point. Do I have to get all Latin on you, and roll out the phrase ad hominem again?

In almost every response you make to someone with whom you disagree, you attack them. Usually, one way or another, you tell them they're stupid or they're ignorant.

Believe it or not, your logic is not always very clear. Sometimes it warrants further explanation. Not everyone who doesn't get it is an idiot.

What's your reason, Steve?

this debate has run dry, we've been over the same points many times now, it was intresting, but now its gettign old.

My reason for posting that? It's to inform you, as I have done several times to no avail, that you often respond to a post that you don't like with a personal attack against the other person, often followed by something like, "I've already expressed myself clearly [and you're a moron if you can't figure out what I meant]". Or you talk about what you imagine people's agenda's are, when all you need to do is respond to what they wrote, or not respond at all, if you prefer.A post is either good or bad, well- or poorly-written, right or wrong, on its own merits. You don't need to try to climb into someone's head in an attempt to figure out what motivates them, unless you're a talk radio host or are running for political office.