You need to expand your social circle beyond the friend-zone guys you know. If you live in a rural area, I'm not sure what your options are, beyond the Internet.
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Man's orgasm vs. Woman's
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"Women can face racism along with sexism as well. A white woman can face racism from a minority and so on"Not trying to be smart-arsed here CBW, but that is pretty obvious. A poor black woman in America for example would, I'd imagine, belong to one of the most marganalised groups to be found anywhere on earth, in that she'd be exposed to racism, sexism and classism as regular elements of her experience of life.
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Unfortunately I think there are people in the world in even more marginalised groups than that.
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I would imagine so too Ineligible; again, no smart-arsed intent, but that was why I said "one of the most.."
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Yeah, no shit, Starfish. And I didn't mean that in a smart ass way.
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(Damn - I shouldn't have started with racism...)
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This thread was originally about orgasms and understanding the sexual experiences of the opposite gender, if my eyes were functioning properly the first time I contributed to it.
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CBW - I love the way you Americans say things like 'ass'!, that's a pretty rare thing to hear where I come from.Ineligible – It was late and I was tired the last time I posted, I hope I didn’t sound rude! I take your point, but just to expand a bit on what I'm saying; for example, if we're talking about a poor woman in an African or Middle Eastern country: the fabric of society in these places is a hell of a lot less diverse regarding ethnicity than it would be in the States, for example, so what a woman like that has to deal with is usually the fact that she's female, and that she's poor. Not a nice position to be in, especially the former, in some of these countries. Also some of the levels of poverty seen in these places are more extreme than would be experienced by almost anyone in an industrialist regime. I'm not saying that there aren’t other societies where women are far more fiercely attacked because of their gender, what I'm saying is that for a poor woman of an ethnic minority in a capitalist society, she is attacked on three different levels , from three different directions if you like, and because race and gender are such integral elements of who we are and because our original social class is no more of our choosing than our skin or our sex, two are integral to who she actually is , and one is indicative of her place in the world , so in all cases she is marginalised for reasons beyond her control. The point I am making is, although others globally are maltreated more viciously on one particular point or two, women who find themselves in this particular situation are victimised on three separate levels, which may not be unique on a global scale, but it’s not common and everyday either. The only Irish equivalent I can think of would have been in the occupied counties of Ulster during the 30 years of extreme civil unrest, when the last person you wanted to be was a poor female Nationalist. Since almost all Irish Nationalists are indigenously Irish you’re just swapping race for ethnicity, which is a small leap to make.
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the fabric of society in these places is a hell of a lot less diverse regarding ethnicity than it would be in the States, for example, so what a woman like that has to deal with is usually the fact that she's female, and that she's poorYou aren't familiar with the history of some African countries, are you? There has been ethnic strife in numerous African countries, such as Rwanda. In that country, the Belgians played up ethnic tensions by propping up the Tutsies and allowing them special privileges while they were colonizing the country. This angered the Hutus, the majority population in Rwanda. This eventually led to a civil war in 1994 and a genocide that claimed the lives of over 500,000 people. And I imagine that many Hutu women suffered discrimination because of their ethnicity in this country.
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“the fabric of society in these places is a hell of a lot less diverse regarding ethnicity than it would be in the States, for example”First of all, my above comment is correct. The example you have provided details two ethnic factions in one country. There are scores and scores of descendents of different Nationalities and ethnicities in the States."..so what a woman like that has to deal with is usually the fact that she's female, and that she's poor"Aside from that, you missed the word usually, in this sentence.As for the Rwandan conflict, thank you for the attempt at a history lesson CBW, but actually I am more aware of this conflict and it repercussions than you seem to be. The estimated death toll of that genocide was 800.000+, not 500.000 And, since you are in the mood of silly confrontations (though I have to tell you, I am not) I have to advise you a good place to start when discussing those involved in such a tragedy is to spell the name of their group properly. The correct spelling is not Tutsies, it’s ‘Tutsi’s’.
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OMG. I'm so sorry I misspelled the name correctly. rolls eyesLook, I can sit here all night and argue with you about the wording of your sentences, but I'm not. The fact is that if you were so aware of the conflict in Rwanda and in other places in Africa, you would not have made such sweeping generalizations about that women being discriminated against solely because they are women, as you did with your so what a woman like that has to deal with is usually the fact that she's female, and that she's poor. While class and gender are important issues, let's not forget that ethnic strife plays a huge role in women's lives as well. You seemed to forget that in your above posts. And if you really want to get technical (as you like to do), I did say that over 500,000 were killed. I could sit here and argue with you over that, but I won't follow your lead and do that.
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“And if you really want to get technical (as you like to do), I did say that over 500,000 were killed”That assertion is so preposterous as to almost not merit a response. By that argument it is also “technically” viable (in your world anyway) to say 0000000.1 people were killed. “OMG. I'm so sorry I misspelled the name correctly. rolls eyes”You can roll your eyes all you want. You think it’s ok to discuss a particular genocide while grossly underestimating the toll of the victims and misspelling the title of the slaughtered group?? Maybe that’s ok in your job, but those sort of sloppy and insensitive inaccuracies would cost me mine.“The fact is that if you were so aware of the conflict in Rwanda and in other places in Africa, you would not have made such sweeping generalizations about that women being discriminated against solely because they are women, as you did with your "so what a woman like that has to deal with is usually the fact that she's female, and that she's poor"“Solely because they are women”?? Did you even bother to read my sentence before you copied, pasted and emboldened it? The fact is that I referred to these women’s gender AND social class (in the very sentence you have copied, it isn’t too hard to find, take a look at the end) as usually the likeliest oppressive forces in their lives. ‘Usually’ is a key word which has the function of heavily influencing the meaning of a sentence. If you want to understand what’s being said, it’s not a good idea to ignore a word like that, as you have twice done, which would indicate to me that you have no desire to understand the intended meaning.Aside from all that; I said “A poor black woman in America for example would, I'd imagine, belong to one of the most marginalised groups to be found anywhere on earth, in that she'd be exposed to racism, sexism and classism as regular elements of her experience of life”You responded “no shit”. Well, ‘no shit’ isn’t any part of my vocabulary, but I understand it to be a sarcastic-toned affirmation. If you agree with my above statement, why have you now constructed an argument (however weak) which would attempt to oppose it?You have displayed in your 180 degree about-turn that you are clearly not a woman who is even assured of her own opinions, so I suppose it shouldn’t be any kind of surprise that you would have difficulty in comprehending mine.