shall I spell it out again, in the most basic of terms?If god didn't want you to masterbate, she would have made your arms shorter.
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Masturbation and christians
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Or She would have put your penis in the middle of your upper back, where it's hard to reach when you get that itch...
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that might be fun at the highschool dances though
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I can't speak on behalf of the chruch, but yes, masturbation is against the church/faith. I also believe it is a sin, as said in the CCC(caticism of the catholic church - sorry for spelling). I used to ask the same question before I realized that religon just restricts peoples freedom and is rubish(only my opinion). But yes, if you are faithful, then masturbating is a sin, there is no easy way to get around it.
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The way this thread's going I think we have to be clear about a number of things.Masturbation as such isn't mentioned in the Bible.Homosexuality is only obliquely referred to and the references which people like to quote are far from unabiguous and certainly open to interpretation. One theory amongst scholars for example is that Paul's alleged condemnation of homosexual activity in Romans Ch 1 could possibly be a refeence to the use of male prostitutes which we know existed at that time as part of the market paraphenalia (along with the money changers etc) attached to the temple in Jerusalem. Also we have to remember that many of the Jewish laws cited in the Old Testament were designed for the 'camp hygiene' of a nomadic people - remember that having been exiled from Egypt, the Jews spenty forty years travelling in the wilderness. They weren't really rules designed for a settled community although they remained part of the Jewish law which was strictly enforced, although there were often ways of getting round it if people had a mind to.Also we must remember that the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew and the New Testament from the Greek language, although much of it would almost certainly have been in Aramaic. Inevitably some things will have been lost in translation or, worse still, "spun" by translators who had a particular axe to grind.What I'm basically saying is that all isn't perhaps quite as it seems.
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You're forgetting one thing, the church was created to help guide the people to 'heaven'. Yes? Well then, if they say that masturbating is a sin then it is. Because the church represents Jesus. Thus, everything that the church says we shouldn't do, is concidered to have been said by jesus. Jesus couldn't relate to modern times 2000 years ago, thats why there is a church that constantly adapts to the times and makes rules that are easier for us to understand. Saying that masterubation isn't mentioned in teh bible is just a way for christians to still think that there not sinning even though they are.
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If you are going to argue this point, you need to tell people where it says that masturbation is a sin.
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http://www.oca.org/QA.asp?ID=230&SID=3http://www.religioustolerance.org/masturba6.htmNeed more links to believe me simply ask.
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Just a bunch of interpretations. It even said, RBC Ministries admits that the Bible has no specific references to masturbation
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You don't get what I'm saying. If there is a god, why would he say that sex is for marriage. And should not be done otherwise... YET... allow self pleasure when in the bible it states that "Let marriage be held in honor (esteemed worthy, precious, of great price, and especially dear) in all things. And thus let the marriage bed be undefiled (kept undishonored); for God will judge and punish the unchaste [all guilty of sexual vice] and adulterous"Unchaste means having sex, well, if you want to get graphic and in depth about this, can't sex be basically considered having sex, sperm is released, and thus pleasure. Now, according to the christian faith you are supposed to wait till marriage to have sex or else you sin. You cant take the bible literally, if we did that, hurting others(physically) wouldn't be considered a sin cause the bible only says kill. I mean come on, common sense does play a roll in the bible aswell, sometimes you have to read between the lines, even i'm not christian yet I know that.
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I apoligize for my double post, but i completely forgot a major point. Does jesus not say in the bible; "Jesus came to restore creation to the purity of its origins. In the Sermon on the Mount, he interprets God's plan strictly: "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."122 What God has joined together, let not man put asunder."Now, when one masturbates, they usually watch porn, like 90% of the time, and if not, another women(or man) was most likely involved to get the person aroused, now can you tell me that masturbating to porn is not lust in any way?
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You might be right...BUT...the second link you posted refers to married folks, not unmarried ones. Even if you accept their interpretation, it makes no sense to apply it to a 13-yr old kid who's discovering something about him (or her) self, for example.
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Very true, as it more relates to married couples or gf/bf. But the CCC does say masturbation is against the faith. As is porn. So therefore it is a sin. I don't have the CCC with me, so i cant give you the words used, my apoligies on that part.
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The original poster is Baptist, not Catholic. There are Baptists who don't think that Catholics ("papists") are really Christians. I'm not sure where the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention stands on that issue.
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In reply to: Inevitably some things will have been lost in translation or, worse still, "spun" by translators who had a particular axe to grind. It's not really possible to spin a translation to fit your particular axe unless you are the only person, or one of a select few, who know the particular language. (Which, in my opinion, is the main problem with the traditional Roman Catholic practice of doing everything in Latin and not encouraging the Church to read the Bible in their language.)There are millions of Americans who know Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. I know several folks who are fluent in these language. Some who are considered scholars in the languages. Which particular passage about masturbation or sexuality do you think has been "spun" in translation? I doubt you'd be any more pleased with the "actual" translation.
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There are many millions of people who fluently speak, read, and write modern Arabic and Hebrew, and yet the translation of those languages into English is an art, where meaning is sometimes left to interpretation. That's far more true for ancient religions, where no on really knows the intent of the author, and meanings are often dependent on context. Aren't there disagreements between modern interpretations of the bible versus the King James version, where modern scholarship has had an effect on translation?Unfortunately, there is no one alive who is truly fluent in the ancient languages that the text of the bible was written in.
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There's one small town where Aramaic has still suvived, though for how much longer is uncertain.
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I think we've drifted off topic, i recommend you speak to your priest/religon teacher(if in high school) about this and ask for reasons behind what the answer is. And tell me if i'm right or wrong
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There's one small town where Aramaic has still suvived, though for how much longer is uncertain.After a couple of thousand years, I wonder how well modern aramaic speakers could communicate with ancient ones, if we had a time machine.
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In reply to:
You're forgetting one thing, the church was created to help guide the people to 'heaven'. Yes? Well then, if they say that masturbating is a sin then it is. Because the church represents Jesus. Thus, everything that the church says we shouldn't do, is concidered to have been said by jesus.
you're forgetting one very VERY important point. The church, like every orgasisation, is not immune to corrupition. In fact, the various churches of the world have a history of corruption. Not that they are more or less corrupt than other organisations, but as a group of humans, they are a mass of differing ideas, agendas and moral barometers.