California to ban spanking

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spank you???I now have pictures in my head I didnt need there, thanks so much steve

Ewwwww. See where it leads? I mean, not that there's anything wrong with it between consenting adults...I'm just saying...

Aww still not getting a response you like?? Are you grasping now?? I'll give you a clue though. I helped raise my two younger brothers who are 10 and 12 years younger than I am, taught preschool in which I had to take parenting classes, and child psychology, and had to attend child abuse seminars and child communication seminars. I don’t know, but I think I am well equipped. How about you?Yes yes I know it’s not good enough for you, and blah blah yadda yadda this and that and there for. So you can feel free to skip it all (though we all know you won’t).

Did you spank the kids you helped raise?It's lovely that you have that wonderful education. What did they teach you about spanking in those classes and seminars? Did you spank your students? Because a lot of them, apparently, are uncontrollable otherwise.Or did your gut tell you what's right, regardless?

I bet he did! Micheal Jackson? He probably got talked to in a sweet tone about his "bad"...never scolded or swatted.Are you kidding me? Go read Michael Jackson biography. He apparently had a pretty violent father. All he cared about was pushing along the careers of his kids. But Jackson is so far out of the mainstream, and had such a screwed-up childhood, it's hard to connect the dots in his case.The evidence is that violence tends to beget violence. That doesn't mean that everyone who gets spanked will be violent, or that someone who was never spanked won't be. It's a statistical thing.

Again yawn you take so much out of context, and sadly on purpose just to cause problems.For one the age gap between my brothers and I, though 10 years, was not a sufficient age gap where I would spank them. My father and stepmother handled those situations. Though now I do have a niece and a nephew, who I have given a swat to the butt when they were out on control (only once actually). I tried warning them first, letting them know it was unacceptable. They decided to ignore it, so a small swat on the butt and made them sit for a period of time. After the period of time I explained why they got punished and the rest of the day they listened to me.I never spanked my students. I was a teacher and that's not my place. But I did let the parents know that they misbehaved and let them handle the situation how them seemed fit, for they are their children not mine.Now if you are done trying to skew my words, I am sure you have more important things to do than try and started a debate (or maybe not??).

Just because something is an old saying doesn't mean it's wise.No...but the odds are seriously in favor of it. Child-rearing is nothing new under the sun.Not all kids need to be spanked...but some do. Those that are too young to listen when you tell them not to put their hands up on the stove, for example, need to be spanked for their own good. If they listen then it's not needed. And if you don't spank your kids in public they'll figure out real soon that they can get away with misbehaving in public...I'll spank 'em (if they need it) anywhere they act up.For a growing list of reasons, California is a stupid place to live.

In your situation it's extreme. That is far beyond simple spanking, that's called abuse. You cannot even compare the two.I am sorry you had to go through something like that, it's horrible. No child should have to go through something so traumatic.

My dad belted me for the littlest, stupidest things. Now that is just plain stupid and unjustified.. Then you have Steve who lumps spanking and severe abuse all together and broadens the scope to old people and animals and everything under the sun..

Originally Posted By: sdp now whip it. into shape. shape it up. get straight. go forward. move ahead. try to detect it. it's not too late. to whip it. whip it good. Da na na Na na.. da na na na naaaa LMAO!!!!

People who advocate spanking usually have no idea how much it hurts, both physically and mentally. It's been too long since they were kids. I do remember -- very well. After all that, it was pointless. It may have provided some short relief for my parents, when I went off a cried for a while, but it didn't do anything useful beyond that. It did have some negative effects, though.sdp> Now that is just plain stupid and unjustified..According to what principle? Should that behavior be illegal?> Then you have Steve who lumps spanking and severe abuse all together and broadens the scope to old people and animals and everything under the sun.. The principle is that you don't beat people and creatures that are smaller and weaker than you. You want to slap around HelmsmaN or Grvytyklr? Then have at it.What is the difference between an infant daughter who won't do what you want her to do, and a mother? Are you just conditioned to believe that it's OK to hit a toddler, but not a parent? Why is that true?The last time my father tried to "discpline me" with violent force, I put my arms around him and held his arms down. He knew the jig was up, and that wouldn't fly any more. It ended with no violence. No more fights in school. No more hitting at home. I realized how pointless it was.But you, sdp, so brilliant in judging when and how hard to hit your children....maybe you should have seminars so you can teach parents just how hard to hit their children. Because a lot of people just don't get it, and a lot of kids are winding up bruised or worse. Even in California.

Spanking animals???! Christ... To the discussion. I'm in favour of the spanking. No, not abuse - as in, a sharp tap on the hand or behind when a child has done something wrong. It does make them learn. I was spanked as a child - very rarely, but it did happen - and it sure as hell made me learn not to do things like that again!I have given my goddaughter a slap on the hand for doing something dangerous, trying to pull a box off a shelf that was really heavy and about to fall off the wall... and she wouldn't stop pulling it even with the explaining and trying to pick her up and stop her from doing it. Then came the tantrum. The slap on the hand stopped it, and we haven't had her doing things like that again since. So in the right context I think that a spank/slap (not on the face, and not very hard... and definately not very often!) does make a point and does make them learn quickly. I can see why they would want to ban spanking; people who bruise their children and use a lot of force should be stopped, but a simple sharp swat should be enough to make a point. Nothing more.

You can go on and on Steve until you foam at the mouth (or fingers if it's possible), but it'll do no good.

sdp all of your posts in this thread have just made me crease with laughter!!

I understand that nothing is going to change your mind, but your not the only one reading this...thing.If one person thinks twice before slapping their toddler around, it will have been worth it. If not....well, I tried.

A normal person could differentiate between a "spanking" and a "beating".... unfortunately, a lot of people are not "normal".

Children need some punishment from time to time, because not every bad behaviour brings its own punishment. There are many forms that punishment can take, and it is possible to avoid spanking. However, any form of punishment, by its nature, involves some type of pain or suffering, and any type can be abused. Spanking does have the advantage of being quick and providing therefore an immediate message, and it is also quickly over. In my view it should never be done with anything other than a bare hand, so it should hurt the administrator as much as the receiver; this helps to reduce abuse.There have been claims of child-rearing methods that avoid all punishments, but I strongly doubt they could be practical.

BLASPHEMY!!!

A normal person could differentiate between a "spanking" and a "beating"That may be true, but there are times where it's hard to know where the line is drawn, especially if the person doing the spanking is angry. I don't recall ever getting hit by a parent who wasn't angry. And what's acceptable seems to change over time. I recall once, walking down the street at night getting hit in the stomach. I don't recall what age I was, but it was definitely 7 or less. It seemed OK to my mom, who looked on. It seemed OK to me at the time, although I was doubled over for a while.I am think that what was acceptable a hundred years ago might seem pretty crazy now.> ... unfortunately, a lot of people are not "normal".Should there be a law then then that you can hit your child (is there really a legal distinction between "hit" and "spank"), but just not too hard? What should we do with parents who spank their kids too hard? Anything? Or should we just keep the government off their back?

> There have been claims of child-rearing methods that avoid all punishments, but I strongly doubt they could be practical.

That may very well be true. If so, it's too bad that human children are less sophisticated than dogs and tigers, but such is life.

> In my view it should never be done with anything other than a bare hand, so it should hurt the administrator as much as the receiver

Should that be codified into law, then? What if you're a big, strong administrator, punishing a toddler?

Hopefully the administrator hasn't been out drinking before doing the administration.