Gay ?
No time to stick around today, so Ill just post this link and comment and check in when I have time...
Homosexual behaviors.
Just one more thing against those that say its not natural, its only humans, its a choice, blah blah blah.
If nothing else I know a few memebrs here will get a kick out if it.
Nice article, but really irrelevant, don't you think?Lot's of species of animals eat their young or bite the heads off their women after they have sex. Does that make it alright for me to do it?I'm not making any kind of moral judgment about homosexuality, mind you. I'm just saying that if we start using the natural behavior of animals as our moral compass, we're gonna be in a world of hurt.
I agree, Damien; but it is a refutation of the charge that homosexuality is "unnatural".
True dat.I guess my point is that natural doesn't always mean moral, and unnatural doesn't always mean immoral.
Oh come on, we ARE already in a world of hurt, morals or not.
Which is a real shame, actually :frowning:
But what have morals got to do with it? Its unfair sometimes to use morals to justify the allowing or condemning of certain things, sometimes they just get in the way. The main problem with morals is that they are different for a lot of people!
Sometimes we have to view things without our petty judgements. Homosexuals do not have a negative effect on our species, they can be seen to have more of a positive effect than others! With gay couples, atleast male ones, they can't have kids. This is good for 2 reasons:
I say bring on the gays, they're great!
"This is good for 2 reasons:
I say bring on the gays, they're great!"
>> I guess it's not good for countries like Greece, but I agree.
Since we 're talking about animals,
I heard from a friend of mine that before a male cat can fuck a female one, it is fucked by a male cat once.
Originally Posted By: Shadowmage Since we 're talking about animals,I heard from a friend of mine that before a male cat can fuck a female one, it is fucked by a male cat once. ROFL!! Not true!! But a good laugh!! hehehee
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"In bonobos for instance, strict heterosexual individuals would not be able to make friends in the flock and thus never be able to breed," Bockman told LiveScience. "In some bird species that bond for life, homosexual pairs raise young. If they are females, a male may fertilize their eggs. If they are males, a solitary female may mate with them and deposit her eggs in their nest."
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Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own.
Wow! Now isn't that interesting. I find it incredible interesting how balanced, and tolerant, the animal kingdom is towards homosexuality.
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The argument that a homosexual way of living cannot be accepted because it is against the "laws of nature" can now be rejected scientifically, said Geir Soli
I've been saying that for years LoL, but nice to know there is now an exibit now that shows homosexuality lives in MANY species of animals, not just human. Unfortunately this information still will not be enough for many and it'll still be called "Unnatural".
That was my point ! not that since some animals eat thier young its ok for me to do it as well. Being a parent though I can udnerstand why they do it.....I think its very unnatural for me to have gay sex, so unnatural that the thought of it makes me physically ill. I also think that its natural for other people to have it, just so long as it doesnt involve me.
You specifically are who i thought of when I read the article.
Iv seen you respond many times to arguments on this site about how its unnatural and doesnt occur in animals.
The other one I thought of was Thor, Im posative Iv seen him use the argumentbefore, but I maybe wrong. Im still waiting to see him respond to it and what he thinks.
a guy looks at a picture of a naked man and his penis goes hard- sounds pretty natural to me!
YUp yup yup!!! I have never been able to find a good article to support the fact the homosexuality exist in other species.... Until now! hehe I have the webpage bookmarked
Natural, unnatural or otherwise, does it really fuckin' matter. It's not hurting anything, so does it matter if animals are doing it or not.The problem I have with this is that it shouldn't matter if animals are doing it, whether it's natural or not, because the fact of the matter is when it's between two consenting adults and it's not causing damage to anyone else, it shouldn't matter.If I've got Eddie tied to my bed do strange shit to him, he's good with it, I'm good with it, you ain't there, what do you fuckin' care. Who the fuck do these people think they are to condemn it or condone it... Long and short of it is, it ain't none of their fuckin' business.
Quote:If I've got Eddie tied to my bed do strange shit to him Sooo..when can we make this a reality?? hehe winkSeriously though, Scotty that was well said and 100% how I believe. It amazes me how people just don't get that simply concept.
While I can certainly agree with that sentinment (If it doesnt affect you directly its none of your fucking business, shut up) there are people that do care. Thats the problem, they make the laws, they say its wrong and so if your gay you cant have marriage, you cant join the military (dont ask dont tell doesnt count since if your found out your still out on your ass, dishonerable at that). They are the ones that have managed to keep others ostrasized and spit upon because of it.
If it can be proved its natural and not a choice, that its just something that is, then maybe we can put an end to all the bullshit, maybe they can be open and happy in society instead shit on because they love the same sex.
For record purposes, I dont condone homosexual acts, I just choose to not participate. I dont condone alot of shit people do, if it doesnt affect me or have devastating effects on all life, its none of my business.
child abuse has a devestating affect on peooples lifes, that shoudl be punishable, dumping toxic waste hs a devestating effect, that should be punishable, fucking some guy, by a guy, when both are consenting to it, that has no effect on anyone but the two of them and shouldnt be punishable.
I dont see the need to condone what happens between two consenting adults. As long as there are people that feel differently and can make life harder for other people because they dont agree with personal choices, then the subject needs attention and anything that makes it easier to pave the way for letting others be even though they are doing different shit then me or you or who ever, then its a valid point and should be put out for the public as a matter of education and tolerence.
Quote:If it can be proved its natural and not a choice, that its just something that is, then maybe we can put an end to all the bullshit, maybe they can be open and happy in society instead shit on because they love the same sex. I seriously pray for that day Chance, but regardless what science might prove there will always be people there to cast the doubt or simply say "it's wrong". It makes me really upset sometimes but I have to remind myself it's not my fault, it's on the ignorance of other people.
Thats why bullshit articles ( not that the subjet ic bullshit or invalid, just that it shouldnt be a big deal) like this one are relevant. It if educates and makes just a handful of people think differently, then its valid. You cant change the world opinion in a day and shit like this article is just one little thing that contributes to a change over time.If kids today read it and are taught it then it paves the way to them thinking differntly as tey take the control of the world in teh future.It may justify it to one kid who thought about suicide because hes unnatural, hes an abomination against god, hes eveil and wrong. Maybe that article finds its way to him and he stops long enough to reconsider that its not his fault, it wasnt a choice, its jsut who he is and it shouldnt be a big deal and gives him the strength to continue living instead of stepping in front of a bullet and ending it all.Ill agre with scotty, it shouldnt be that way, but it is, the only thing to do is to pick shit up and fight ofr the equal rights of everyone instead of just those that are teh way your "supposed" to be.
I know and I agree with you. I was just making a point that, I think, needed to be made... though it's falling on deaf ears even as this dialogue is continued.I'm just in to piss-poor of a mood to give such views an inch, right now.
You and I have had this talk before.It is a valid point, but I dont know anyway to get it made and acted out in society other than to start with something like this and push it outward.
