Apparently the only good congrssman is a white congrssMAN
but I'm sure they still love Sarah
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The Tea Party shows it's colours
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(...rolling eyes...)You know that's a cheap shot because you know that's the lunatic fringe. Do I need to remind you of all the times Democrat protesters have done the same or worse?Surely you can do better than that.
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yes, they are the lunatic fringe. That's my point.
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I'm a little confused. Are you saying the people who yelled the bad names are the lunatic fringe? Or are you saying the entire Tea Party movement are the lunatic fringe.One I would agree with. The other would be flat out wrong.
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Originally Posted By: damienI'm a little confused. Are you saying the people who yelled the bad names are the lunatic fringe? Or are you saying the entire Tea Party movement are the lunatic fringe.One I would agree with. The other would be flat out wrong. The point is that the entire tea party is the lunatic fringe, which it is. The tea party is on the fringe of the fringe of right wing politics in this country. They are an extreme group.
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One I would agree with. The other would be flat out wrong.
have you read the signs? Not just the ones at this demonstration either.
I think the stable base of the republican party will soon start distancing itself from the teabaggers and their darl'n Sarah. I also think you may see the emergence of a new, far-right party by the time this is all done.
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Originally Posted By: A VThe point is that the entire tea party is the lunatic fringe, which it is. The tea party is on the fringe of the fringe of right wing politics in this country. They are an extreme group. They only seem extreme to an extremist.
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I agree that the movement is just a vocal percentage of the entire party. The people with the signs are the most vocal percentage of the movement. And the idiots are the most vocal fringe of that percentage. It's all a matter of degrees. It happens on both sides of the aisle, or in any major party in any government.I'm not so sure about a new party emerging. You certainly aren't the only one who thinks that. But I think forming a separate party would diminish their ultimate impact. It always makes more sense to impact the existing party with the existing clout than to go rogue. That's what (for better or for worse) the Moral Majority did 25 years ago, and what the Obamanation is doing now.
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I'm sorry, who is this Obamanation group of which you speak?
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It was the first term I could think of to indicate Obama/Pelosi/Emmanuel and politicians & constituents with similar beliefs and worldviews. I didn't mean for it to be a pejorative term. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that these folks are having a real impact on the Democratic Party and it's direction, much more than they could have if they had created a separate party.
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Originally Posted By: damienIt was the first term I could think of to indicate Obama/Pelosi/Emmanuel and politicians & constituents with similar beliefs and worldviews. I didn't mean for it to be a pejorative term. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that these folks are having a real impact on the Democratic Party and it's direction, much more than they could have if they had created a separate party. The term you're looking for is "Liberals"...who constitute a portion of the US Democratic party (though you left out Harry Reid and the Clintons, for starters), and the vast majority of the TV and newpaper media in this country.
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Yay! Obama!Yay! Democrats!Through the lies you've passed a bill. Not a good one due to the oppositions lies & twists, but perhaps it can be repaired with time.True, you may lose some positions next election, but when people find out what the republicans are truly up to, payback will be a bitch!
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Originally Posted By: CockefellerYay! Obama!Yay! Democrats!Through the lies you've passed a bill. Not a good one due to the oppositions lies & twists, but perhaps it can be repaired with time.True, you may lose some positions next election, but when people find out what the republicans are truly up to, payback will be a bitch! See my post on "Obamacare" in the appropriately titled "Genocide" thread.
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Quote:I didn't mean for it to be a pejorative term no, I don't suppose you did. However, it's a term given to a certain group of people in a disparaging sense by another group of people. So is it a pejorative?Of course, thor and his his type have been trying to use "liberal" as a pejorative for years. That's funny!Glen Beck was recently trying to do the same with "progressives".We all know that America was built on a foundation of non-progress
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It's often mind-boggling to me how a word's connotation can switch so rapidly these days. I guess labels are a handy thing, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted By: Cockefeller
Yay! Obama!
Yay! Democrats!Through the lies you've passed a bill. Not a good one due to the oppositions lies & twists, but perhaps it can be repaired with time.
True, you may lose some positions next election, but when people find out what the republicans are truly up to, payback will be a bitch!What are these lies?
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Originally Posted By: damienIt's often mind-boggling to me how a word's connotation can switch so rapidly these days. I guess labels are a handy thing, unfortunately. upon that we can certainly agreethe art of misnomerology
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Originally Posted By: damien Originally Posted By: A VThe point is that the entire tea party is the lunatic fringe, which it is. The tea party is on the fringe of the fringe of right wing politics in this country. They are an extreme group. They only seem extreme to an extremist. are you suggesting that I am an extremist? I would classify myself as a liberal or progressive, and I do not consider liberals as extremists. Now, I don't think that you are an extremist. You don't seem to be attacking people personally for being liberals, or intentionally shouting lies. But you do seem misinformed. The tea party is full of extreme-right bigots who spout nothing but lies. They're full of people who are actually worse than thor here. Now what the Republican party stands for, I never considered extremist. They identify their party as "center-right." They have been moving further and further to the right lately though. The tea party movement, however, IS extremist. I think that Republicans are going to have big trouble balancing the wants of the tea partiers and the more moderate (relatively speaking) center-right base, because there is no way that they are going to be successful as a party by welcoming tea party ideas with open arms. The tea party movement is just too extreme for mainstream america.
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Originally Posted By: A V...and I do not consider liberals as extremists. A minority group interested in running the country into the ground qualifies in my book.