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actually I don't "know everything". I'm pretty stoopid once you get to know me.
I understand what you're saying blackmanoncampus, even though you're not justifying the wrong he's done it still kind of sounds like it. I'm trying not to take it the wrong way
She was saying that Einstein didn't come up with the things that the Nazi regime under Hitler came up with. Which may and probably is true. However I was emphasizing that even though he came up with something using a completely different science does not mean it's more or less valuable than what the Nazi's discovered just because of the methodology. It's like saying Karl Benz (co-creator of the automobile) is less important than Ron Popeil simply because Ron Popeil's rennovation of things like the rotisserie doesn't kill people, and cars do.
No no, she was saying I'm the one with the "all knowledgeable" complex. She was saying I was being condescending towards you. Which I wasn't. It just might be construed that way...internet and all. I appreciate that, Abby, I truly do.
the internet sucks! lol no. but still. this a touchy subject in which I see from your point of view and from Java's point of view. But you can say I'm rather "blinded" by the facts I read on this guy. And because of how much evil he's done it doesn't even make sense to consider the "good" he's done. In my honest opinon, all his accomplishments are nice and all. But if having to do without his accomplishments meant the assurance of 6 million known Jews then so be it. 6 million is a heck of alot and he is the cause for over 6 MILLION deaths. No invention or smart idea is worth recognition with a reputation like that. once again I'm not trying to be rude just... giving some feedback from what I've learned and how I feel about it.
Originally Posted By: JapanFan14the internet sucks! lol no. but still. this a touchy subject in which I see from your point of view and from Java's point of view. But you can say I'm rather "blinded" by the facts I read on this guy. And because of how much evil he's done it doesn't even make sense to consider the "good" he's done. In my honest opinon, all his accomplishments are nice and all. But if having to do without his accomplishments meant the assurance of 6 million known Jews then so be it. 6 million is a heck of alot and he is the cause for over 6 MILLION deaths. No invention or smart idea is worth recognition with a reputation like that. once again I'm not trying to be rude just... giving some feedback from what I've learned and how I feel about it. No, not rude at all. Too be honest, I agree with your last few sentences wholeheartedly. I would much rather have the entirety of the population he wiped out, back. I think I disassociate the two acts into two different categories. One being that he was truly evil with his ideas and acts; the other being the scientific advancements that took place while he was in power.
No no hon, he was being condescending to you as well as me.
As I read through this thread, I get confused as to where the point of the whole "Hitler debate" is going. I mean, what is the ultimate goal here? Is it to prove that Hitler was absolute evil, absolute good, or just in the grey? We're all in the grey, me thinks.
That indeed was the point.
I see. A person's judgement over another is subjective, don't you think? Many Americans consider Albert Einstein to be in the lighter shades of grey (closer to absolute good than evil)... but I would see why many Japanese would think he's a darker shade of grey considering he invented the atomic bomb.
He didn't invent the atomic bomb, but he did give his approval for its use (which he later considered the biggest mistake of his life, even though it had no practical significance, as it would have been used anyway).
That's absolutely correct. It's all subjective. Again, I think it is all relative. In regards to the A-bomb in Japan, there are many I'm sure that believe America(ns) are pure evil for what happened. Which is fine it's their opinion; but I've heard first hand testimony from several soldiers who have been stationed over there, that there were some people who would literally kiss the soldiers' hands and feet, thankful for winning WWII. Same thing with Iraq now, I'm positive there are mixed feelings -- actually it's probably undeniable. It's hard to say someone is this, or someone is that.
To clear a few things up.- Hitler had no children.- Hitlers marriage was of duration measured in hours. He didn't marry Eva because he thought it important to remain unattached for his female constituency, even though he was apparently committed to her.- There is no, credible or accepted, evidence that Hitler had any Jewish heritage. The closest thing was that his mother worked for a Jewish man at one time as a maid.- Hitler's hatred of the Jews did not start because he was denied admittance to art school. Anti-Semitism was common at the time in most of Europe, much like the subjugation of the blacks in America during the same period.- Hitler's resonance with the German people was based on the rebuilding of German nationalism after the arguably overly harsh armistice of the first world war.- Hitler loathed religion he was catholic only in as far as it resonated well with his constituency but other than that he had no use for the religion itself. As a matter of fact, in his inner circle he derided religion as holding back the glory of his people. He often lamented that only if his people had found a religious book better suited to their war like nature such as the Koran there would be no stopping Germany. (Those are his words not mine.)- Hitler did not kill millions of Jews by himself he had a nation of willing accomplices and a world that only cared when what he was doing began to effect other, worthy, sovereign nations.- The Nazis did not kill only Jews. They killed Czechs, Poles, Russians, gays, anyone really of a non-Nordic, non-Anglo-Saxon linage. The only group they showed any tolerance for was the English and they couldn't understand why the English didn't join them in their fight. So they made war on them as well.Here's a pretty good link to learn about Nazism and the attitudes of the world at the time.To BMOC's point, as I think I understand it, evil often depends on where you happen to stand. I ask this, where the settlers of the United States who displaced the native population, murdered them, rounded them up, confined them to reservation and then destroyed their culture evil... or was that just manifest destiny? When missionaries go to native populations to convert them to Christianity and destroy their native religion, that's been around forever, is that evil or just proselytizing the good word?
Why are people so evil?Because they can be.Although I hate this whole Hitler discussion, it kind of makes my point on a couple of levels.We have evil in our hearts. Everyone. Evil and good. And if the evil doesn't go unchecked, it grows and becomes something ferocious. Hitler had evil in his heart. Evil thoughts and evil intentions. They didn't go unchecked. His country, and other countries did nothing to check him or divert him and BAM. History. I've had evil in my heart. And evil intentions. And when there has been nothing or no one to check me and stop me. BAM. These stupid arguments on this board. They start out small. But if they're not checked...or moderated...they really get out of hand and they get stupid and then...well...you know...All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. (possibly Edmund Burke, but origin is murky)
Originally Posted By: damienAll that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. That's a very good point, I feel. However there are a number of instances where the "good men" hold the majority, which in turn, allows their evil to prevail. Case in point, what oldfolks said about the Native Americans and the United states pushing them westward. All considered good people with good intentions for/by their own constituents. However in hindsight, probably not the best part of our history.
After a little bit of research, I found that Einstein made the suggestion to Roosevelt in a letter. You're right. Inventors of the atomic bomb included various people involved in the Manhattan Project, not including Einstein.
Quote:Evil thoughts and evil intentions. They didn't go unchecked. His country, and other countries did nothing to check him or divert him and BAM. History Hmmm, sounds a bit like George Bush.
Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43
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Evil thoughts and evil intentions. They didn't go unchecked. His country, and other countries did nothing to check him or divert him and BAM. History
Hmmm, sounds a bit like George Bush.
Hail the fourth Reich!
Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43 Quote:Evil thoughts and evil intentions. They didn't go unchecked. His country, and other countries did nothing to check him or divert him and BAM. History Hmmm, sounds a bit like George Bush. I totally take issue with this asenine, kool-aid drinking comparison you're trying to make here.But what I do agree with is your right to call him out and challenge him - in a respectful, mature way of course - if you think what he's doing is so evil.
Bush lover...
I absolutely do believe what he is doing is evil. I tried to do my part by NOT voting for him.
