dear god ! You talk to me and to steve and you have not yet seen the departed ???I think something may be wrong with you, he and I have both raved on about that show. the scene where jack talks to the priest in the eatery... Oh god it nealy killed me I was laughing so hard.and mark walburg in his plastic slippers and hair net... the show has so many great parts I couldnt narrow one down to pick as a favorite scene
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Lucy's Ancestors might have been found!
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Chariots of the Gods?: Unsolved Mysteries of the Past is a book written in 1968 by Erich von Däniken. It is centered on the hypothesis that many ancient civilizations' technologies and religion were given to them by space travelers who were welcomed as gods.I read that book long long ago, back in high school. I remebered its points but had to look up the author and the above blurb. teh evidence he outlines is as follows:Artifacts have been found which represent higher technological knowledge than is presumed to have existed at times when they were manufactured. Von Däniken maintains that these artifacts were produced either by extraterrestrial visitors or by humans who learned the necessary knowledge from them. Such artifacts include the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge, the head statues of Easter Island and the Antikythera mechanism. Further examples include a medieval Turkish map known as the Piri Reis Map, allegedly showing the Earth as it is seen from space, and the Nazca lines in Peru, which he explains as landing strips for an airfield. In ancient art throughout the world themes can be observed which can be interpreted to illustrate astronauts, air and space vehicles, non-human but intelligent creatures, and artifacts of high technology. Von Däniken also points out details that are similar in art of unrelated cultures. Origins of religions as reaction to a contact of primitive humans with an alien race. The humans considered the technology of the aliens to be supernatural and the aliens themselves to be gods. According to von Däniken, the oral and literal traditions of most religions contain references to visitors from 'stars' and vehicles travelling through air and space. These, he says, should be interpreted as literal descriptions which have changed during the passage of time and become more obscure, rather than symbolic or mythical fiction. One such is Ezekiel's revelation in Old Testament, which he interprets as a detailed description of a landing spacecraft. As a real-life example, von Däniken uses the "cargo cults" that formed during and after World War II, when once-isolated tribes in the South Pacific mistook the advanced American and Japanese soldiers for gods.The real oh shit moments are when he puts out 2 theorys The two most controversial proposals were that Biblical characters were inspired by the extraterrestrials, and humans acquired their superior intelligence by mating with them. Most scientists and historians did not take the ideas seriously, claiming that the book's conclusions were based on faulty, pseudoscientific evidence, some of which were later demonstrated to be fraudulent and/or fabricated, and often illogical premises. For example, Ronald Story wrote a book rebutting Däniken's ideas in 1976 titled The Space Gods Revealed. A similar book titled Crash Go The Chariots by Clifford Wilson appeared in 1972.I never swallowed the evidence he offered even at the young age that I read it. in later years new shit happened :At least one artifact offered as evidence in the book has been disclaimed by Von Däniken himself. Chariots asserts that a non-rusting iron pillar in India was evidence of extra-terrestrial influence, but Von Däniken admitted in a Playboy interview (vol.21, no.8, 1974) that the pillar was man-made and that as far as supporting his theories goes "we can forget about this iron thing." However, neither this nor any other discredited evidence has been removed from subsequent reprints of Chariots of the Gods.The book was adapted for TV as In Search of Ancient Astronauts. Iv never seen or heard of that show but I am now inclined to look it up just because.It also served as inspiration for the original TV series Battlestar Galactica, the feature film Stargate, its spinoff TV series, and in the Alien vs. Predator film, where Predators came to Earth and "taught humans how to build".
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Well, thanks to Chance, I've now heard of it. Its utter bullshit but in my own personal opinion, it still sounds more plausible than God(s).A question that has always interested me is: for people who believe that God created us and we are the smartest and most special creatures in His world, do you believe that life exists elsewhere in the galaxy/universe? Its a statistical probability but would it go against Christian/Jewish/Muslim/etc. beliefs?
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I belive in life off of earth.Iv spent too much time out of the city lights high atop a mountain in clear skys with nearly no moon and seen all those billions of stars and planets, too much man to many places for life to be. I 100% belive there is life on other planets, I just dont belive that they are visiting earth and anal probing everyone and planting chips in people and turning cows inside out and some asshole that can design a ship to cross interstellar distances can only communicate by sticking things in peoples asses and making crop circles?probaly has tea with big foot and amelia airheart on wednsdays at noon too.
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dont you mean Wednesday morning at 5 o'clock as the day begins?
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Is that the "Paul is dead" conspiracy?
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Originally Posted By: bobaliciousAnd Thor, prove to me that evolution doesn't exist. I don't care what your alternative is, I'm not asking for that, I want you to prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that evolution is impossible. And I mean real evolution, not the "an oyster turning into a lizard in order to avoid a disease" shite that you just invented.Maybe it's my years, but only a fool would bother to try and prove a negative supposition. My contention is that there is no proof of evolution occuring gradually over time as natural selection suggests. The facts suggest it did not occur gradually. And with the absence of natural selection, there is nothing scientifically proven to cause evolution. "It just happens" doesn't cut it with me. You're asking me to disprove something that hasn't even been proven to begin with...trying is a waste of time. It's like my asking you to disprove God. You can't. God can never be proven (or disproven) because that would dispell the requirement for faith. And, just like death, the only time we'll know (have proof) is at some point beyond which we can share it with anybody still alive.Did creatures evolve? Yes. How? Matter of opinion...but scienctific evidence suggests it was not by natural selection, and that it happened in relatively big steps. Not one gene at a time.
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in my left hand I hold a book containing research and hypothosis based on years of collected evidence. In my right hand I hold a book that just states that this is the way it is, no questions asked.Which book are you reading?
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"In order for life to have appeared spontaneously on earth, there first had to be hundreds of millions of protein molecules of the ninth configuration. But given the size of the planet Earth, do you know how long it would have taken for just one of these protein molecules to appear entirely by chance? Roughly ten to the two hundred and forty-third power billions of years. And I find that far, far more fantastic than simply believing in God."Willam Peter Blatty
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Quote:but scienctific evidence suggests it was not by natural selection, and that it happened in relatively big steps. Not one gene at a time. Really? That's amazing, because you're actually quite wrong there. Scientific evidence points to Natural Selection quite often, an example being biologist Kenneth Miller's work on the structure of the vertebrate blood clotting cascade:"If the clotting cascade really evolved the way I have suggested, the clotting enzymes would have to be near-duplicates of a pancreatic enzyme and of each other. As it turns out, they are. Not only is thrombin homologous to trypsin, a pancreatic serine protease, but the six clotting proteases...share extensive homology as well. This is consistent with the notion that they were formed by gene duplication, just as suggested.""Gene duplication", well that sure sounds like quite a tiny little change, doesn't it? None of the system was created out of thin air but was instead made of parts already present in the organism. And this tiny little change stops us all from bleeding to death, how much fun is that!To quote Jason Rosenhouse,"...we should begin with the observation that Intelligent Design arguments are always indirect. ID proponents never argue, "We observe X. Therefore, ID." Instead they argue, "We observe X. X cannot plausibly be explained naturalistically. Therefore, ID." Since we have already seen that prolonged natural selection is capable both in theory and practice of explaining complex systems, the design hypothesis receives a serious blow right from the start."And of course you're right, you cannot prove that something does not exist. But you can prove someone wrong.
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I was fairly certain thath the whole people not being around during Mesozoic, Paleozoic, Neo-proterozoic, Meso-proterozoic, Paleo-proterozoic, Neoarchean, Mesoarchean, Paleoarchean, Eoarchean Eras proved there was no God. That, or the billions of starving people. Or perhaps, the proof that there is no God lies in. Also, a God has to be worthy of our worship, or there can be no god. Personally, I think any jack ass in the heavans who lets people sit down here and suffer quite like they are now, even though he has the power to stop it, is NOT worthy of my Worship."The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly, they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, than they are not benevolent. If they are neither able nor willing, then they are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?" - Epicures, 300 B.C.
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How can you HONESTLY justify oposing evolution, which is very much basically proved, but you do believe in god which is so far from being proved, that it's on the side of being very nearly disproved. Honestly, I really want to know how that works? Or are you just going to say "I have faith"Fuck I said I wasn't going to get into these discussions anymore.
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I drink coffee myself but I thought tea was always at noon? shit Im an american I dont know what time to have tea :p
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Quote:Fuck I said I wasn't going to get into these discussions anymore i tell myself that all the time....do i listen to my self? No. i'm so fucking hard headed!
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Originally Posted By: Java_AddictPersonally, I think any jack ass in the heavans who lets people sit down here and suffer quite like they are now, even though he has the power to stop it, is NOT worthy of my Worship. Your telling God what to do would make you God, wouldn't it?If it takes the death of 1,000 to save the lives of 10,000, what choice would you make? How do you know that's not the choice God makes each time it appears to our limited perception that our plight is being ignored?
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But these conversations are fun! THey have the coolest formula to them too!
Someone: Hey hey, science did this today. Yay!
Thor: No they can't, God told me.
Atheist/Agnostic member: But they actually did it, its proven.
Thor: No they didn't, they lie to support their agenda. God told me.
Atheist/Agnostic member: How did God tell you?
Abi: Stop hating Christians!
Atheist/Agnostic member: We don't!
Mod: You cruel bastards! I'm locking this thread!The trick is to get in there, have some fun and, where possible, try to have an intelligent conversation before the thread is locked for pissing off God.
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Now thats how we should all think! In fact, do ya know what we haven't had for a while? A nice ol' Spanish Inquisition! Come on everybody, lets go burn the wicked! Monty Python informs me that they won't be expecting it!
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Originally Posted By: Java_AddictHow can you HONESTLY justify oposing evolution, which is very much basically proved, but you do believe in god which is so far from being proved, that it's on the side of being very nearly disproved. Honestly, I really want to know how that works? Or are you just going to say "I have faith"Fuck I said I wasn't going to get into these discussions anymore. I never said I don't believe in evolution...go back and read my posts. What I said was that I don't believe natural selection is what brings evolution about. It doesn't happen gradually, but in leaps and bounds. Darwin never found it actually occuring in the over 3,000 species he studied. A bird with wings half grown...a giraff without quite as long a neck...that kind of thing. No links between the steps...species remaining unchanged for hundreds of thousands of years, if you believe the carbon dating for the fossils found. A frog is a frog, and has always been a frog and not something between a frog and a fish. No fossil or evidence of such has ever been found in the in-between steps that we would expect to find if the changes indeed did happen gradually. And these in-between steps are what scientists refer to as "missing links". The links between one stage of evolution and another. The cases of natural selection in process that have been found have had a history of scientists, eager to prove that natural selection is what brings about evolution, doctoring the evidence...in other words, lieing about their findings. Such was the case with Lucy.
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Wow, this going exactly according to plan! Originally Posted By: Java_AddictHow can you HONESTLY justify oposing evolution, which is very much basically proved, but you do believe in god which is so far from being proved, that it's on the side of being very nearly disproved. Atheist/Agnostic member: But they actually did it, its proven. Originally Posted By: thor The cases of natural selection in process that have been found have had a history of scientists, eager to prove that natural selection is what brings about evolution, doctoring the evidence...in other words, lieing about their findings. Such was the case with Lucy. Thor: No they didn't, they lie to support their agenda. God told me.
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Originally Posted By: bobaliciousWow, this going exactly according to plan! Originally Posted By: Java_AddictHow can you HONESTLY justify oposing evolution, which is very much basically proved, but you do believe in god which is so far from being proved, that it's on the side of being very nearly disproved. Atheist/Agnostic member: But they actually did it, its proven. Originally Posted By: thor The cases of natural selection in process that have been found have had a history of scientists, eager to prove that natural selection is what brings about evolution, doctoring the evidence...in other words, lieing about their findings. Such was the case with Lucy. Thor: No they didn't, they lie to support their agenda. God told me. In this case there was a special on it in the media shortly after the big hoopla had died down. A big expose on the scientists involved.