If I may rant for a moment.

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Warning.. This is me speaking my mind as it comes. So please feel free to say "your wrong" I probably can't argue against you. I can't promise This won't be extremely foul in language or ugly in general.HEDONISM IS REALLY BEGINNING TO PISS ME OFF. I am sick of all of the people out there who's only concern in life is persuing their own pleasure. Examples, People who use the pullout method and people who are too consumed with their own ideas to notice the world around them.In school it pissed me off and still does piss me off that the one thing that any of the students there seemed to be interested in is sex and persuit of what makes them happy. Devoid of any soul or intelligence or anything past drinking and pulling out.And its not as though it stops there. The hedonist view seems to be spreading. Its bad enough if your going to wear a condom or have unprotected sex however, do you really have to encourage younger people to have sex too?. It seems that anywhere you go people are encouraging total hedonism. To hell with morals, sanity, laws, and legality as long as we have a good time what does it matter? I have spoken alot about sex because thats where it really seems to take a "OH YEAH LETS FORGET MORALS" in particular however, Thats really just an example coughs NAMbLA coughs.It really seems that the way things are going people are honestly becoming less concerned with issues of "right" and "Wrong" and ultimately more concerned with what feels good at the moment. I am a christian I don't deny that. However, I don't force my beliefs on anyone else.. I offer my views as a christian time to time. However, it really annoys the ever living crap out of me when some jackoff extremist either christian or athiest start talking about how they are justified because god wants us to feel good.. or god is just a device to keep us from feeling good as some sort of excuse to do some outlandish act.Hell in many cases its devoid of reason. "lets go break some beer glasses in the store parkin lot" I am really tired of the "do wahtever you want" attitude that so many people have adopted and it seems to be getting worse..

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Can't think of anything else to say, besides: Maybe next time you should explain what hedonism is (I had to look it up instead)

My own feeling is that hedonism is now declining as a principle, though there are still too many people who think only of themselves.I'm concerned, though, that people may be rushing, in reaction, to a philosophy that condemns pleasure because it is pleasure, and I think this would be equally wrong. In itself, pleasure is good, not bad - it is only bad if put ahead of something more important. The fact that that often happens should not however make us condemn pleasure as evil, but condemn its misuse.

I agree.While I enjoyed the rant (I am pretty good at ranting myself), I agree that Hedonism is not as much as a problem as you make it out to be. Yes, teenagers and college students like to have their fun, but I believe that has been the case for hundreds of years. The young have always been reckless. It is seen that in America morals are counting for more and more. Most of the voters in the 2004 presidential election said they voted the way they did because of morals. I believe that many people have to grow out of their "me, me, me" attitude. Not all of us have high moral standards till we are thrown into the "real world". When you start to worry about children and house payments you begin to change your entire outlook.

I think his point, and I agree with it, is that it's getting worse...not that it never existed before.It's too bad it takes having children and house payments to learn the value of responsibility. There is great value in it before those things ever happen, but the "pleasure-seekers" will dismiss it as it gets in the way of them having their fun.

You're such a downer, man! Just take the pleasure!

Quote: I agree that Hedonism is not as much as a problem as you make it out to be. Actually it is. Girls need to learn to keep their legs closed and guys need to learn to keep it in their pants. Because when your idiotic mistake ends up a baby don't become a wimp and leave the mother to tend to the child all by herself while her family is forcing her out on the street. Her life is ruined and your off messing with another girl. It's practically the same story I see everytime I walk down the street or when I'm at school. It's a shame when a friend can't come over to hang out because she has to go take care of her two month old daughter. That's their own fault though. And it's sad because I have never ever seen so many young teenagers with children and so sexually active. Sex is not bad, but IMHO I think there should be an age limit. I guess people just don't like being a child anymore. Grow up way too fast. And then they expect you to feel sorry for them when they are the same people who cursed you out for telling them it wasn't a good idea. humans man...

I'll finish that one...Humans are the worst thing that EVER happened to this planet.I remember being 4 years old...FOUR, and thinking I wish I could be a pencil. Yes, a pencil. Still think that way, though now I see it's impossible. I don't even thing I'll be blessed enough to come back as a pencil in my next life.

I wouldnt say Hedonism is all about sex. I would personally describe it as someone pursuing something for pleasure.. or satisfaction.

If you read then you would see I was stating sex as the example. I picked a topic which I felt most people here could agree on. Sex is a common occurence on here where people act without thinking in persuit of pleasure without logic.

My arguement is not nessicerly that pleasure in itself is bad. I am not taking the puritan stance that "you can only have pleasure while celebrating god" by any means. All I am saying is the idea that I am growing more and more tired of the "Hahah.. I can do what I want and someone else will pay for it later" attitude so many people seem to have adopted. To give a non sex related example there was a kid at work who loved to speed.

Its bad enough they brag about peeling out and going over 100 on the road.. (not highway not interstate just regular road) but, they have to encourage others to do it too.

I am not saying don't persue happyness. Its everyones right to persue happyness. If I want to throw on a dress and make up and go down to the local bar and have them call me Ms. Bauderdash then hey who cares what I do on my personal time?

It just irks me to no end that people feel the need to not only do idiotic things themselves.. they feel the need to provoke others to act in the same means.

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It just irks me to no end that people feel the need to not only do idiotic things themselves.. they feel the need to provoke others to act in the same means.

Exactly.

I understand your plight. I understand that people are becoming more and more selfish. I also agree that pleasure in itself isn't a bad thing. Like I've said, the pleasure first, screw everyone else attitude has been around for generations. No matter your religion or beliefs, we all have some want for pleasure. I mean it is pleasure. But that's not the issue here. You say that Hedonism is on the rise. I concur. But my point was that it was mainly in the young and that it is eventually grown out of. How many 40 year old men do you see having a keg party with 25 year old female dancers on the weekend?It doesn't happen that often. Responsibility is thrust upon you. If you can't party when you are young, when can you? That question crosses many peoples' minds. Everything is a choice. You can have pleasure and wear a condom. You can have pleasure through drinking and not drive afterwards. It's all up to choices.

Originally Posted By: NnyIt just irks me to no end that people feel the need to not only do idiotic things themselves.. they feel the need to provoke others to act in the same means. It's because they know, deep down inside, what they're doing is stupid...but they feel better about it, as if it is somehow justified, when they share it with others. Part of the reason I think it happens more often in younger folks is because they're in the midst of rebellion against authority (nothing new there either). It's their way of saying "See...I can do what I want. Nobody can tell me what to do!" But that in itself is stupid, too, because in the end they have to do what's responsible regardless of whether or not somebody tells them to do it...or they suffer the consequences.It may come as a shock to some, but most parents aren't about control...they're about trying to get their kids not to have to suffer the consequences of stupid behaviors. Well...OK...that, and not have to suffer the consequences of their kids doing something stupid, too.

Hm. I agree with you. Then agian I have personal reasons for detesting my parents xD.I think you should be careful when touching the parents issue. I think some parents want their child to behave properly simply for thier own sake. I know my parnets have asked us a million times "HOW DO YOU THINK I LOOK WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THAT".Then agian there are volumes of reasons I don't like my parents xD. However, I think you have to judge parents case by case.

I agree with you totally.And I agree that it is getting worse.And I agree that pleasure, or even the pursuit of pleasure isn't the problem. It's the pursuit of pleasure and cost be damned.Yeah...I see folks (particularly younger folks) more and more adopting the mentality of do what makes you feel good cause you're the most important person in the universe and if someone doesn't like it tough shiznit and they don't have the right to judge me.Like when my brother argues that his "right" to smoke trumps my right to breath. Grrrr.....

Its ironic you should mention people detesting being judged.Last year I delt with a number of people who had no hesitation in damning me for things as trivial as music. In class discussion I would make a morbid joke and suddenly I'm going to hell.Yet, they wouldn't hesitate to speed drastically over the speed limit to the point of indangering others. If I spoke to them they condemned me. When I quit talking to them they acted like I was "soo nice" when I did talk to them. No matter what I did it was never good enough for any of them.Just ironic they complain about me offering good advice when they are the ones speaking loudly enough for everyone in the room to hear em. If its not my business fine.. But, I really shouldn't be able to hear you over my headphones... (and I do blare ear damaging loudly)