Vick and dog fighting

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That is terrible with is going on with all that.He looks to serve some time, running out of time for a plea agreement...All his assosicates are taking one, leaving him up there to deal with it on his own and he still says he is not guilty. There is so much evidence against him, and I don't think he could get a jury to side with him, if this thing does go all the way to a jury. There are too many people against hurting animals. I don't know if he will be able to go back playing in the NFL cause who would endorse him... He would be a big risk.

That is terrible with is going on with all that.I don't get that statement. Are you saying it's terrible what's happening with this situation? If so I agree. Have you ever seen the movie "Amores Perros?"

Edit* My apologizes I misread some things my statements were completely off.

I read things backwards >.<

Originally Posted By: A.W. You're right, there is no strong evidence to support Michael Vick of dog fighting. WTF!!!What rock have you been hiding under?The only sad thing I see in the whole idea...well other than the fact that Petrino gave up U of L for that mess...is that now it's looking like it's okay for a well known football player to murder people, but not dogs.

Originally Posted By: A.W. You're right, there is no strong evidence to support Michael Vick of dog fighting. Do you watch the news??I think its sad that theres more concern over abused animals then abused children. Not to long ago I saw a documentary on children who were taken from their homes and forced into prostitution.I dont get 30 spam emails on how we should help THEM. I dont see anything on the news on how were going to save those kids.

i don't know for 100% but my thinking (yes it's just my own conclushion) is the reason abused animals is on the media more than abused kids is becouse more people in dog fighting are getting busted. in dog fight it;s open to a crowed.. gamblers and other dog fighters and such so it's more "open" where kids being used to fuck people isn't "open" the only parties that know about it is the person saling out the kid and the one getting laid. for those (LUCKY) kids that got took from their homes it was cuz the kid got brave enough to tell (i dought that tho) or the "pimper" fucked up and messed up........ witch coused them to get cought. *edit... just so it's clear i don't mean kids being took away from homes and put into prositution are lucky...those kids r in a deepp dark hell) i meant that as in the kids that were took away from abuser and helped or so..like that. that's the way i see it... i don't think there is more concern over abused animals then abused children. I think people that abuse animlas don;t hide it as well as they do with abused kids.

You realize that dog fighting isn't JUST about saving dogs' lives, riiight? Dogs in those conditions are "trained" to attack and kill, and it really doesn't matter if it's a dog or person that they are attacking.

If Vick had been accused of rape he wouldn't be crucified half as much in the media.

Personally I hope the book gets thrown at him and he gets the full extent of the law. I could not image doing what he did to these animals. If the animal did not fight well, they would hang them or hold them underwater and drown them... it's disgusting!It doesn't just show, in my opinion, how sick Vick is but I'll go as far as to say you have to be mentally disturbed to hurt an innocent animal.This is coming from an animal lover as well, so maybe it angers me more than the average person... but still I hope he gets the full extent of the law.Just mt 2 cents.

I agree with you Eddie. I mean, the man surely wasn't doing this for the money. I read he had a $130 million dollar contract. I think he is a sick individual.

dog fighting is a cultural thing, basically hidden from us "normies" in society because we don't "get it", and judge it to be cruel and inhumane? What's there to get???... These dogs are bred and trained to be mean and fight. They're bred to tear the living shit out of another dog and fight to the death. Would they do the same if they were raised normally like other dogs?Vick's a scapegoat.. he's being used to gain exposure to this fucked up practice. Who gives a shit if the book is thrown at him?? This guy had a multimillion dollar career in his hands which he pissed away to gamble in dog fights. He and his types tarnish the NFL's image and he being hung out to dry. I say fuck him.. He's dumbass. Boo Hoo.

It's a cultural thing?? In some cultures they sew a womans vagina together, it still doesn't make it humane or acceptable in the US.I mean, it's not like a horse race. From what I have read and videos I have seen, these dogs are bred and trained for the purpose of killing another dog. And the ones that do not perform well are killed. And I believe I read that there are several witnesses saying that Vick himself did alot of the killings.  Quote:It would be like convicting a person to a year in jail for having a bag of pot. Sure it "punishes" the person involved, but doesn't "solve the problem". So, just let the pothead go? What if he had a bag of ecstacy? Let him go too? I think they should 'throw the book at him' and make an example out of him.

Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43 I think they should 'throw the book at him' and make an example out of him. My thoughts exactly!  Originally Posted By: DxLishxISx_43 I read that there are several witnesses saying that Vick himself did alot of the killings. Yup! The other people whop got arrested all testified that Vick himself did a lot of the killing of the dogs who did not perform up to standards. Originally Posted By: HelmsmaN it would only (further) ruin one man's life, if it hasn't already. We good! For what he did he deserves what he gets, and I hope it’s a HARSH punishment, more than just losing his NFL career. He deserves at least the 6-year (I believe it’s 6 years) max in prison as well as a hefty fine; though I personally feel he or anyone who does such an act deserves a hell of a lot more!I don’t go for the “well it’s not going to stop it from happening’ mentality. He has been caught of something brutally viscous and he should get just as brutal treatment, period. Whatever he does get as punishment he deserves in three fold. Again I’m a huge animal lover, so stories like this really make me sick to my stomach. Just imagine the pain these poor dogs had to feel on a day-to-day basis… sickening.

Who said anyone is ignoring the other horrible things in the world? I certainly haven't. This is just one topic.

I don't think people really "ignore" the other horrible issues. This issue is just getting alot of attention because he is famous.

I believe you feel the way about this that I did about anna nicoles smith or paris hilton runnin around with herself "exposed". if he was really dog fighting I think he needs to be taken care of. I am not denying killing innocents being cruel. However, if he really is dog fighting then he is very sick. I mean VERY sick. I wonder if sadist would be the proper word.Animals is one step away form people. I might take a certain offence to this because I have an ex who's father would torture animals infront of her or so I hear. Or it might be my natural love of animals but, I believe anyone that sick needs to be delt with.Nother thought. if he is training dogs to kill like that. Then ultimately they are dangerous to people. I've never been attacked by a dog but, I imagen its a painful way to die =/.That being said I don't know if he is dog fighting and deserves what he gets. So I reserve judgment.

Yeah.. I can't say I really watch the news much anymore.The news just wants people to think the world is going to hell because, thats what people want to hear.

Yeah, all we know is what the media sensationalizes and then gives to us.Reminds me of the time when I was in Military School and the TAC officer got mad at this one kid and threw him up against the wall and yelled at him.After that, he took care of computer problems and was not TAC officer anymore.And I know the parents got a letter about his "moving positions". The letter said that "another position opened up for him and he was glad to take that position".

Is there any evidence that the animal doesn't want to fight?Okay, dogs fight all the time. The play fight, they fight for dominance, they fight over territory, fight to correct each other, etc. But NORMALLY, they do not kill each other... They just don't need to. Take it from someone who has been bitten plenty of times for a variety of reasons, dogs don't bite to kill. Most of the time, they don't even try to make someone bleed. It gets a lot more complex than that, but I can only think of two instances of when dogs really try to kill each other. If there are two evenly matched dogs (and by evenly I'm not talking about in size but in energy level) fighting, and neither backs down (a rare occurence, I think), or when humans mess around with their social skills. But most of the time, dogs submit or run away.

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Yeah, all we know is what the media sensationalizes and then gives to *us*.

You do know that he plead guilty right?
If it were me and I was innocent, I surely would not plead guilty. Especially if I had $130 million dollars to spend on a defense team.