sorry but your grasp of the science is week.the "missing link" is an outdated concept.the holes in the fossil evidence are because only a very small percentage of biological material fossilizes. Quote:if you are a MARRIED COUPLE, you may use a condom that has little or nothing to do with reality. you're basically saying that it's reasonable for pre-marital sex to carry the death sentence.
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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
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Originally Posted By: NnyAs a christian its this kinda stuff that I absolutely detest. Major part of why I am against organized religion.Ok guys. Please. What was being referred to by "transitional" life forms isn't just one or two that look similar. She is talking about this. If evolution were indeed 100% fact. Then ultimately we would see MANY MANY MANY MANY more fossils of smiliar species. We would not be searching for a "missing link" Not only would we see a clear and decisive evolutionary trail we would have many more fossils of deformed/diseased mutations which failed.As to the arguement that we ourselves are transitional life forms. I do believe you are forgetting various factors. (for example the steriods which make their way into our food which we happen to eat).As to viruses I may be very well mistaken but, I don't think they are classified as living organisms. Unless they changed that in the last few years.Oh btw. AV You are somewhat wrong about the flooding ordeal. There are MANY MANY MANY MANY cultures which reference a "great flood" occuring. And seeing as the bible has been translated and things are writtin in their time. As another poster said "world at that time may have ment all the land known". However, even in the Epic of Gilgamesh there is reference to a great flood.Gotta love history.I just can't help but, feel this thread has been taken the wrong way by all sides. I may be wrong but, I thought this was really more directed towards christians saying we need to fix our fucked up sects. We need to act more like christ. Then maybe we will get more followers.I may be a christian but, I can't say I like very much about the way we as humans act towards eachother.The bible wants us to take pride in being christians. Being a christian means to humble yourself. Sadly many people take pride in being a christian and think it means that they should take pride in having pride.I fail to see why people assume this thread is a direct attack on religion. I fail even more to see how the issues of science and evolution trying to disprove christianity come up.And please. These blanket statements which are being made are total bs. "christains", "muslims", "athiest" Ya know. Not ALL christians are total hypocrites (alot are and only want to support their own agenda) However, come on you can't expect athiest to be any better or muslims to be any beter. The sad truth is that we are all human. We are all equally capable of doing harm. So please lets not pretend athiest aren't equally capable of bombing someone.Don't pretend that if there was no such thing as religon all war would dissappear. We would just be fighting over something else. Thats life.Oh Also Let me throw this fact out there. Unless you have a degree in it anything that you throw out to defend evolution as "fact" Is ultimately equivelent to a religious person throwing out a religious "fact" unless you understand the science behind creation. You can't really claim its anything more then religion which is ultimately the same thing.Think about it. Christains make god out to be an inexplicable force. Scientist claim to have "facts" but, unless you understand them then ultimately your blindly following your "facts" the same way a christian blindly follows whatever they are taught or their interpretation of the bible.So lets quit pretending someone is that much better then someone else for what they believe. Or that much smarter. We are all human and all subject to the same flaws. As for, "the missing link" argument. They HAVE been finding missing links. And, as for viruses, they aren't technically living but still have the ability to evolve. they have DNA or RNA, just like us. So they don't necassarily have to be living to be an example of evolution. And, I believe, the question on whether viruses are living or not is still being debated.And as for other cultures referring to some "great flood". Well, of course there would be some big flood in every culture that has lived by some body of water for so long. There'd be numerous "great floods". but just because there was a flood does not mean that it covered the entire Earth. Of course, at more than one time in a people's history, there would be great floods, but they wouldn't have covered the entire Earth. There have always, throughout history, been floods, and there'll be more great floods in the future. But, again, no flood ever covered the Earth. Plus, these great floods that these cultures refer to are always depicted at different times from one another.And, no, I don't have a degree in evolution. But I know enough about it. Not enough to go into an in depth debate, but enough to touch the surface. I've at least read up on it... a lot. Plus, you have to wonder, why would 99% of scientists believe in evolution if there are so many flaws in the theory, as you and so many other christians say there are.And, as for atheists being just as likely to bomb people. That, I have to say, I disagree with. Not because I'm arrogant or anything. But, you have to think. Someone who is religious would be much more likely to suicide bomb because they aren't afraid. They believe that they'll just be going to heaven anyway, so they are not afraid to die. Atheists, on the other hand, know that they only have one life to live, so they don't want to waste it. Atheists want to make the best of the one life that they have. Plus, atheists do not have these intense rivalries that religions have. Not enough to bomb eachother. Now, don't get me wrong, I do think that there'd still be war if there were no religion out there. There still are some crazies out there. But I do think that there'd be a GREAT decrease in killing. At least, religious wars, or "Holy Wars" would be gone.
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Originally Posted By: ajmakoko"A few, such as Belgian Cardinal Godfried Danneels, believe the Catholic Church should actively support condoms used to prevent disease, especially serious diseases such as AIDS. However, to date statements from the Vatican have argued that condom-promotion programs encourage promiscuity, thereby actually increasing STD transmission. Papal study of the issue is ongoing, and in 2006 a study on the use of condoms to combat AIDS was prepared for review by Pope Benedict XVI."AS I SAID BEFORE... So, if you are a MARRIED COUPLE, you may use a condom if your partner has an STD (this can be granted to you by your parish priest). The biggest reason the Church does not promote the use of condoms is that it promotes premarital sex in many cases. But if you are having premarital sex anyways, then why the hell (hee hee, pun...) would you care about sinning more by using a condom? The Catholic Church isn't evil and they certainly don't WANT people to get a disease (which is obvious by how they feel about the sanctity of life), and they don't believe God wants them to get a disease either. Do you think they believe that God was mad at His Son for being a sinner, and so Jesus got what he deserved? well, discouraging the use of condoms in pre-marital sex is not a good thing. people will always have pre-marital sex, so discouraging the use of condoms in pre-marital sex would still result in people getting STDs because of that.And I don't think that the Catholic church is trying to be evil. But they're still the cause of many deaths resulting from AIDS.
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Quote:And, as for atheists being just as likely to bomb people. That, I have to say, I disagree with. Not because I'm arrogant or anything. But, you have to think. Someone who is religious would be much more likely to suicide bomb because they aren't afraid. They believe that they'll just be going to heaven anyway, so they are not afraid to die. Atheists, on the other hand, know that they only have one life to live, so they don't want to waste it. Atheists want to make the best of the one life that they have. Plus, atheists do not have these intense rivalries that religions have. Not enough to bomb eachother. Now, don't get me wrong, I do think that there'd still be war if there were no religion out there. There still are some crazies out there. But I do think that there'd be a GREAT decrease in killing. At least, religious wars, or "Holy Wars" would be gone. If you actually believe this then there is nothing I can say or to do convince you otherwise. The only thing I can really do. Since you are that determined to prove yourself right at any and all cost is offer this.I hope you realise that you much like the christians you are rebuking. Are so stuck in your ways that you have literally shut off other views and immediately shoot them down before contemplating them.That being said I predict you will probably not consider things from any view besides your "scientific one" which is ultimately what the scientist tell you.edit I am sorry but, I feel the need to add this. By blindly following the scientist. You like the catholics blindly following the pope are one in the same. I just hope those statistics abou scientist are true for your sake. However, I somehow doubt it.That being said I'm going to withdrawl from this post. I could argue my side infinitely and it would fall on deaf ears.
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Don't guess I can get premission to use that whore to culture quote in the future for my writing class can I?
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Originally Posted By: Nny Quote:And, as for atheists being just as likely to bomb people. That, I have to say, I disagree with. Not because I'm arrogant or anything. But, you have to think. Someone who is religious would be much more likely to suicide bomb because they aren't afraid. They believe that they'll just be going to heaven anyway, so they are not afraid to die. Atheists, on the other hand, know that they only have one life to live, so they don't want to waste it. Atheists want to make the best of the one life that they have. Plus, atheists do not have these intense rivalries that religions have. Not enough to bomb eachother. Now, don't get me wrong, I do think that there'd still be war if there were no religion out there. There still are some crazies out there. But I do think that there'd be a GREAT decrease in killing. At least, religious wars, or "Holy Wars" would be gone. If you actually believe this then there is nothing I can say or to do convince you otherwise. The only thing I can really do. Since you are that determined to prove yourself right at any and all cost is offer this.I hope you realise that you much like the christians you are rebuking. Are so stuck in your ways that you have literally shut off other views and immediately shoot them down before contemplating them.That being said I predict you will probably not consider things from any view besides your "scientific one" which is ultimately what the scientist tell you.edit I am sorry but, I feel the need to add this. By blindly following the scientist. You like the catholics blindly following the pope are one in the same. I just hope those statistics abou scientist are true for your sake. However, I somehow doubt it.That being said I'm going to withdrawl from this post. I could argue my side infinitely and it would fall on deaf ears. just for your information, I used to be a christian. so I HAVE considered other views, and I am constantly questioning my own current views. I have put religion into consideration since becoming an atheist. I even prayed once, because I remembered what they said at church one time. They said that if you are ever doubting the existence of God to pray and that he WILL show you a sign. So I prayed, (on more than one occasion), and I'm still waiting for an answer. So, until I see any sign of God's existence, any evidence at all, I will remain an atheist. Because, if I were to believe in God, I would always have to ask myself, "which religion is the right one?". all religions claim that "we believe in the true God/gods", so who do I believe? Only one can be true. They can't all be true. There are literally thousands of religions out there, all claiming to be the one true one. so, you show me ANY evidence at all of your god's existence, and I'll listen. You show me something that isn't evidence (yet isnsist that it is), I'll just try to show you why I don't consider it scientific evidence. I find that whenever I do get into a debate with a christian they show me what they think is "evidence" but really isn't.but please, I WELCOME any proof of god's existence. In fact, I would like to believe in a god. immortality, paradise, a purpose. I would love to have that faith. To know that I'm going to go to heaven, to know that I have a purpose. But just because it all sounds good, it doesn't mean it's true. I'm not going to believe in something just because I wish it were true. I prefer to know the truth than to believe in a fantasy, no matter how satisfying. Carl Sagan said it perfectly "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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I am a Christian, but I much respect that type of intellectual honesty.
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Don't look to me to prove gods exsistence. I can't prove he exsist anymore then I can say I understand him.All I can say is the church claming pray and god will prove himself to you is wrong.I can't prove god exsist anymore then I can prove numbers or math exsist.However, I have no hesitation in telling you I don't believe in god for reassurance. The way I dwell on lust, blood and other thoughts I can't say I believe I am worthy of an after life. So I can't say I take any reassurence in beliving I know whats coming.*editIneligible said it and I have to agree with it. It is far better to honestly not believe then to just follow along blindly as so many seem to do.
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well, discouraging the use of condoms in pre-marital sex is not a good thing. people will always have pre-marital sex, so discouraging the use of condoms in pre-marital sex would still result in people getting STDs because of that.They are sinning anyways, by having pre-marital sex, so I seriously don't think they would care if they sinned more by using a condom. But I guess it helps, having someone to blame.>But they're still the cause of many deaths resulting from AIDS. They aren't MAKING people have sex, are they? Ultimately, it's their right to choose whether or not to have sex (unless, of course, they are raped).
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Originally Posted By: Nny
Don't look to me to prove gods exsistence. I can't prove he exsist anymore then I can say I understand him.
All I can say is the church claming pray and god will prove himself to you is wrong.
I can't prove god exsist anymore then I can prove numbers or math exsist.
However, I have no hesitation in telling you I don't believe in god for reassurance. The way I dwell on lust, blood and other thoughts I can't say I believe I am worthy of an after life. So I can't say I take any reassurence in beliving I know whats coming.
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Ineligible said it and I have to agree with it. It is far better to honestly not believe then to just follow along blindly as so many seem to do.
there was an exact quote in the bible that sayed to pray to god if straying away from him. I don't know exactly where, I just remember it. You can disbelieve me if you want, I don't care. -
Originally Posted By: IneligibleI am a Christian, but I much respect that type of intellectual honesty. thanks