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Dude, I know you're hurting but that's the most despicable thing I've ever read.It's really sad that you're becoming the very thing that made you this way. Congratulations, you are now a part of the special group of people who have nothing better to do but judge people on their looks.Honestly, is this what you really want?

Virtual, I'd say he's a lost cause. He thinks he's right and that's all there is to it. No one can tell him different.He's lost my sympathy.

Sigh, I know it's fustrating but it can't be helped. What someone_young needs is help outside these forums. There's nothing we can do and more surgery isn't going to work either. The illness is in his head.If he really wants help, then he needs to step outside and get it. And I hope he does because it's really twisting his personality into something nasty.

Wow, I don't know what you look like, but your personality is very ugly. So you wouldn't be friends with someone who had Down Syndrome? That's cool, but what makes you think they would want to be friends with you? People with Downs have some of the best personalities I have ever seen. By the way, my son has Down Syndrome and all the little girls just adore him.

I've actually seen pictures of this boy and he's physically very attractive. But the more and more he posts on this site the less attractive he becomes simply because of his personality.

Virtual, I'd say he's a lost cause. He thinks he's right and > that's all there is to it.> No one can tell him different.I wouldn't say he's a lost cause, though I agree 100% that no one can tell him any different.I used to be the same way as him when I first came here several years ago. No one could tell me any different than what I thought.I haven't changed all that much, but the way I think about things are way different than before. I'd like to say I view things in a more mature way, but I have no idea if that's what it is or not.Either way, it took time for me to snap out of the phase Someone_Young is in now, and I'm hoping the same will be true to him.EDIT: Just felt like adding some things.I remember when I was like Someone_Young, it turned out that I didn't want to even make friends, since I was probably just trying to get attention, which is easier to get when you're an outcast. That's how I felt deep inside, even if I wouldn't have admitted or thought of it myself at the time. Maybe that's how Someone_Young also feels. Either way, only time will make a difference (or medication, but I dunno if he needs it or not).

You have a son with down syndrome?Ill be again completely honest, in the real world, and realistic.Girls are all over him because they feel sorry for him, a big DUH there.I doubt a single ona them would "like" him like a boyfreind, or even pay that much attention to who he really is.I have cousins who are autistic and all that crap and people "feel sorry for them" but they dont have "real" freinds.The only chance he actually does have real friends and any of those girls "like" him in that sorta way would be is if he had like a abnormaly extrememly unevident version of down syndrome.And for you people who think im attractive, like i said, im probably attractive in a weird "jock, football, husky, paul bunyan" kinda way, but for the style, society, people, and things im intrested in, that doesn't fit in at all.But im seriously sorry people, ive never seen somoene butt ugly and actually popular and a ladies man.Every person out there who can get girls is at least icy-hott. ( a term i use meaning ugly and hot at the same time, like say Johnny Depp if he had acne all over his face and braces was about a foot shorter, cuz he'd still have a good shaped face probably)And thats what matter the most, if you have a good SHAPED face with good fearures, like good eyes, nose, mouth, cheeks.I know tons of guys who have bad acne, pale, bad hair, ect.But they have nice natural facial features, and girls still find them really attractive cuz they look past the features that come and go with time, like acne.And thats the one thing im missing, is good natural fesatures.And when your missing that, no style works with you.And people just dont think your attractive.I mean i have no acne and great hair ect.But no one thinks im even hot.And i know i think the same way.i know ide give someone with acne, and all that, i chance way quicker than someone with just bad face.Ide even go as far as saying a hot person with acne would make me like them even more because ide feel comfy around them, yet ide be glad cuz they'de still be attractive.

You're hopeless.

Instead of coming here and possibly pissing people off with your unrealistic view of attractiveness, have you made any steps in getting help?

Physical attractiveness is only going to get you so far. I've seen it enough in life to know there is so much more to getting the girl than how you look. Without the right confidence and attitude your not going to get very far with the ladies regardless of your looks.

I have seen plenty of hideous guys take the best girls because they have the confidence. They have the I don't need you attitude that for whatever reason seems to peak the girls interest.

When I was younger I had a 5'-6", 300lb'er take my lady. At the time I couldn't understand it at all, but me being me, I studied the situation and him and what she could have seen in him and came to the conclusion, I was an asshole (I didn't care that she left in the first place), and he had an aloof dangerousness about him that I know peaked her interest. It was all about his personality it damn sure wasn't about how he looked. He was nice but she never had him figured out and that's how he kept himself in her mind and kept her challenged and interested.

The only place I have ever found looks to have a fairly high importance is in the club scene. Even then, a few seconds of conversation can scuttle the looks card.

Here's something I wrote awhile back that I just reread, that's related to what I said here.

Originally Posted By: OldFolks

Men seem to have this wrong on so many levels. They think they have to be the bad boy to get the girl and if they aren't the bad boy then their doormats for any jackbooted female who comes along.

Come on guys, use a little intellect and you might get the chance to put your dick to a little more use.

You don't have to be an ass.

You can be nice and still aloof. You can be amiable and still mysterious. You can be complementary while maintaining a cool dignity. You can be inviting even with a menacing air. Can guys just no longer project an, "I like you but certainly don't need you" air about themselves, it's not that hard.

Get a little... fuck that. Get a lot of self respect.

Think about how you present yourself and what it says about you.
Think about how you stand and what it says about you.
Think about how you walk and what it says about you.
Think about how you look (with your eyes) at someone and what it says about you.
Think about how you talk and what it says about you.

How are you presenting yourself as a doormat or as a challenge? Who wants to date a doormat?

You can present yourself with a laid-back aloofness, almost haughty detachment and be a nice guy still providing enough mystery to peak the interest of the object of your desires. You'll go farther with that than trying to be a dick or whining about finishing last.

Ok first you say that i should be a "dangerous ass hole who doesnt care about the girl" then you say i should be "a nice guy who thinks before he talks ect." and you say im confused?
Idk what people say here, most girls who are in the "scene" that i go for, always pretty much think like "ok, my guy has to look at least decent before ide give him a chance no matter how good his personality is, because there will always be someone else better looking with just as good personality"..and pretty much the girls in my "scene" have to look good to be in that sort of group so yeah. trust me, theres no girl i would even think about that goes "i don't care about looks at all" because those girls are never the type i go for. I actually WANT someone who cares about looks, just someone who personally thinks im hot, because i want a girl who will compliment my looks because thats what gives me confidence.

Good luck with that!