Kid Chit again...

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Cursing, on paper, call it a song...Would you deal with that like you would cursing verbally? Go easier, or harder (since it is in print?) Not getting answers as to why it got wrote down in the first place. Not to mention why it was left out to be found. She is not quite 11. Grrr...she is a tough kid, the second I think she is doing well, the lying, sneaking, stealing starts up again. (wearing her sisters makeup and denying that she has anything on her face, like I am friggin blind!!) So, the "song" is from her. (and possibly someone at school)

huh?your gonna have to give me more detail!What the hell is ya talking about!?she wrote a song, left it out for you to find and its got swearing in it?did I get it right...or am I off base?swearing is swearing, written or spoken, to me it depends on what words were used. Id also want to know why it was left out to be found, purpose? accident? private shit that got left out on accident?To many variables, but if it was purposly left out for me to see, Id be pissed, no harsher than if he said it, of course if its bad and he said it to me, Id be one mad mother fucker! I demand some respect as the dad, if I had said fuck you to my dad, Id of ended up beaten to a pulp! and uhhh, often was for telling my dad to go fuck himself.I did it every few years as I thought I was bad enough to beat him. IT took me till my late 20s, to finally be able to take him.Before that we went outside, he wore gloves, I went bare fisted, and boxed, that bastard toyed with me, never threw a punch, let me throw all I wanted and ducked and dodged them, then layed a few pitty pat on me to let me know he was fucking with me, then beat my ass. Thats why I only tried once every few years it takes a bit to forget a beating like those, not the beating as much as the humiliation.When I finally beat him, I was pissed,and noone had gloves on, he grabbed my hands for a mercy wrestle and I pushed him back and swept his knee, landed on him throwing punches to his head and face. its the last time we ever squared off. He can still beat me boxing and he is now 74, but he cant whip me in a street fight.We still fuck around with gloves on and mouth pieces in, but that was the last time we went full at it pissed instead of sparring.sparring, he knocked me for a loop just two weeks ago when he was in town for a visit on the front lawn with a left hook, the old bastards still pretty fucking fast and still hits like a fucking brick shot from a cannon. He is still riding a 800 lbs bike too, for an old man he gets on pretty damned good.

Originally Posted By: Grvtykllr

huh?
your gonna have to give me more detail!
What the hell is ya talking about!?
she wrote a song, left it out for you to find and its got swearing in it?
did I get it right...or am I off base?

swearing is swearing, written or spoken, to me it depends on what words were used. Id also want to know why it was left out to be found, purpose? accident? private shit that got left out on accident?

You understood perfectly! I have no idea if I was supposed to find it or if she just doesn't think...(She is THE WORST liar I ever met, I mean, I guess if your gonna do it, make it SOMEWHAT believable!)

The "song", one verse: Because your a backstabber heart breaker shit lover jack ass son of a bitch.

She just stands there with "the stupid look" when I ask about it. And that stupid look gets me pissed and I gotta go before I knock it off her face (not into beating the tar out of her, but dang she knows how to push me that close!). SO, I am not getting anywhere with it.

It isn't directed at us, and for all I know, there might be a real song like that..lol

I'm not a parent obviously but when I younger, my parents made it clear that we were not allowed to curse. If we did the punishment was much harsher if it was directed at someone. If it wasn't, then we got reprimanded. We didn't really get in any trouble if it was something written, as long as it was a diary or something to that effect and we were to not leave that stuff around for other people to find. If they found it lying around for everyone to see, then we got a warning and were told to put it away, and of course if we continued to not follow these rules then the punishment was harsher each subsequent time.

she cant really wash her kids mouth of with soap, it was written not spoken! and pepsi: i googled it and nothing close came up, maybe she got dumped or rejected and wrote it in a slew of anger and forgot about it?

Well an 11 year old getting "dumped" to us isn't such a big deal, but to the kid it may feel very real. When I was her age I was going through alot of family problems and stuff and I would curse alot when I vented in a diary. It is a possibility that someone did something to upset her and therefore prompt her to right something like that.

It's ok. Though I don't necessarily mean it as "kids going through big stuff really young nowadays" kinda thing. When I was in kindergarten and elementary school we all had our "boyfriends and girlfriends". These relationships lasted sometimes under a day, and there were plenty of times that I didn't tell my mother about this, nor would she have heard it from anyone else. Rejection is a blow at any age, and very small issues get blown up alot when your younger, especially when your 10, 11, 12 years old and just starting puberty. Everything is way more emotional around that time.

ummm that was sarcasm lol and leelee already explained that point fairly well

Sometimes it can be an attempt to start a fight, and sometimes it's wiser to overlook it and pick your own battles. Sometimes it's a cry for attention. I don't know if either of these might apply in this case.

Quote:And that stupid look gets me pissed and I gotta go before I knock it off her face (not into beating the tar out of her, but dang she knows how to push me that close!). SO, I am not getting anywhere with it.YOU should have been MY mother. My mama used to beat us senseless or as she liked to say "beat the blackness of you!". But we were bad children, so we kind of deserved it. But never did we curse. At least I didn't, I think my older sister did before. But when I was much younger my mom would wash our mouths with soap for talking back. And she hit our hands if we ever stole. Basically, the thing you did wrong with whatever part of your body it was beat. I would think that maybe your daughter got that from somebody else. Or maybe she really is just angry. I know all about the "stupid look". I used to do it all the time. My brother when he was younger wrote HIS NAME on the wall and she asked him if he did it and he had the "whaaa-?" look on his face. Made her irate. Maybe you should cut her off from television and the phone? If she watches things like MTV or something that answers the question or hopefully she hasn't come across some bad websites. I remember whenever I looked for something on yahoo or whatever and you type the wrong way you come across something entirely different. It doesn't even have to be intentional. To be honest though MOST of my bad influences came from friends at school. Doesn't matter how young you are. I work at the Y with kids as young as 6 yrs old. You would think they were 16 the way they act and speak.

My somewhat educated guess is that she's looking for attention...though even she probably doesn't realize that's what it is.

I don't think it is a boyfriend thing for HER, but maybe a friend?Maybe she is mad at her father again, but she won't speak. For all I know, she was mad at my manthing, and was writing about his ex (it's almost about her, with cheating and all included.)Ineligible, she does A LOT of things for attention, she feels that she is a victim. That we treat her differently, yet, she is treated no differently than any of my other kids. Good works=praise, bad works=chores. And in all actuality, she has it easier, because I know what she can handle. Lil' bit has it much harder, because she can handle it. If I were to compare the two, the 11yr old acts like Lil' bit did at 4. (I swear victim thinking is hereditary, because her father is the exact same way!)But that is why I am at a loss with it, because, she feels so victimized, and this song (if it is something, in HER life, is just another "I am victim" thing). But won't talk about it either.As for beating my kids JapanFan, I just don't. I threaten to tan their hides sometimes, but they just think its my way of saying I am pissed, and they are pretty right on. I am MOM (Mean Ol' Mother) in other ways.I appreciate the input, this go around, she is just getting a stern talking to, about how in appropriate it is, that if she feels she MUST curse about something she needs to put it in her diary. Not such a big deal for me to see, but we have a kiddo younger than her living here who now knows how to read quite well! Plus, I think a week of wondering what I am gonna do has dealt her enough anxiety pain. If there is a next time, she will be explained the consequences. I LOVE the idea of making her write repeat positives. (He he, my boy hates that and for him, it works well!)