Originally Posted By: sesantek
I believe there should mutual respect for others views on online forums. I dont have to see thiongs the way you see it. We are all here to learn .
Absolutely. I have total respect for your belief that masturbation is a sin. I don't agree, but I respect it. It's a view held by many. What I don't have respect for is your lack of reasoning, your twisting things to support an unsupportable case, your claiming that things are in the Bible that just aren't, and your adding to a dangerous belief that has hurt many. And, to be honest, I have to ask if you're actually here to learn.
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I may have to report this to the moderator.
Report what? That I disagreed with you and challenged you? Did you think you could log on, state your claims and beliefs, and not be challenged? I'm sorry that didn't work out for you. I invite you to share your concerns with the mods here. I think you'll find them very fair and possibly instructive.
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Now if the other guy says the Bible did not talk about masturbation.
Which it clearly doesn't...
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I want to ask him if he can instruct his 5 year old son to masturbate.
First of all, what does this have to do with the question of whether or not the Bible talks about masturbation? I don't mind having a respectful discussion with you, but it will help if you will stick to the question and not use this kind of pointless diversion.
Secondly, I actually don't have a 5 year old son, or any son for that matter, but if I did...well it's just a stupid question. 5 year old boys haven't even begun the process of sexual maturation. Masturbation isn't even an issue with them.
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If you cant be bold to ask your 5 year old son or daughter to do it, then dont you think, you have to look at the way others who are not doing it see it.
I'm really trying to figure out what you're trying to say. Let's substitute 13 year old boy for your 5 year old, cause that makes a whole lot more sense. Are you suggesting that if I'm going to say masturbation is not wrong then I should be willing to actually ask my son to masturbate? That's quite the irrational leap. No I wouldn't ask him to masturbate or mandate it. That's his choice. He may actually choose not to. But if he chooses to do so (which he probably will. Y'know, since he's a 13 year old boy with a penis) I would be willing to talk to him about it, let him know it's normal, and talk about the issues that do concern me (lust, obsession, addiction, pornography, sexual activity with someone else, etc.)
I'm really trying to find the logic behind your muddled arguments, but I just don't see it. Maybe you can help me out. Explain to me what I'm missing.