In reply to: Uh, calm down. Don't have a heart attack Just had to put in my two cents....not really trying to get into a debate. I just don't like people that always preach as if their opinions are/should be facts....ya know?
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Humans are designed to reproduce and multiply.
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Oh really? So then what purpose did God create reproductive urges and ability for? To not reproduce?
so, did "god" also give us the "urge" to kill, and the "urge to hate, and the "urge to steal? as well as tell us not to follow these urges? and i suppose it's everyone's duty to understand the purpose of every thoughtless urge?
why must we know the meaning of every thing instead of enjoying it when conditions allow? people were never "meant" to do anything other than enjoy their lives. if reproducing without end helps you enjoy your life than by all means do it, but let people decide for themselves what they should do.I have one more question for Pronatalist, are you overweight?
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not everyone has the urge to kill, you know.
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In reply to: Oh really? So then what purpose did God create reproductive urges and ability for? To not reproduce?In reply to:so, did "god" also give us the "urge" to kill, and the "urge to hate, and the "urge to steal? as well as tell us not to follow these urges? and i suppose it's everyone's duty to understand the purpose of every thoughtless urge?why must we know the meaning of every thing instead of enjoying it when conditions allow? people were never "meant" to do anything other than enjoy their lives. if reproducing without end helps you enjoy your life than by all means do it, but let people decide for themselves what they should do. I have one more question for Pronatalist, are you overweight? I think I see where you are going with that.No, I don't suggest that people have big families, just because sex feels good, and people supposedly can't control their urges. Self-control is a virtue. But I don't agree with the Catholic concept of "natural family planning," as it still seeks to prevent births, in opposition to its apparent purpose.If eating "feels good," eating too much, doesn't make more of me to love and experience life. Just more weight to lug around and make it hard to stand up.But with procreation, there are other people to think about. Because the future generations would much want to live, and my children probably would be much glad to have been conceived and born, I believe it is practical for human populations not to be as small as possible, but "nearly as large as possible."The natural and healthy outlet for the powerful reproductive urges of humans, is hardly rhythm or withdrawal, but marriage and reproduction. Because more and more people would be glad to be alive, I would encourage large families worldwide, and welcome even massive human population growth, if God would allow it.While of course we should not always act on our urges, we should of course be encouraged to breed, for the sakes of "the many" and future generations. I think the future people of the world, would not mind being so populous, if that's what it takes to be born. It's nothing to be ashamed of that there are so many people in the world. Rather a great measure of progress that so many people can all live and enjoy life.
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In reply to: the best thing to say is that Pronatalist is right, the earth can fit everyone on it. The question is, will the planet support us? Think of it we will push all the animals off the planet, there will be homes, but no farmland. We cannot harry Potter style conjure up a feast from thin air. We must grow the food and also think of the amt of pounds of food the average peson eats. multiply by 14, 15, 20 billion, where are we going to farm all of this. Will space colonization be able to occur, if so how many people will wish to go into deep space to farm. As i see it we will fit on the planet, will the planet support us. Most likely not. Oh, I know there is more to consider than merely whether there is enough living space for everybody.But have you ever heard the saying that nature abhors a vacuum? Well things aren't designed in a vaccuum either. If the world has so many people that it has now, it probably was designed to hold so many people, and that's why there are so many. It's not some fluke of nature, but the planet was actually designed to be so populous. That's why God commanded humans to multiply and fill the earth, and made sex so pleasurable. Such a commandment must necessarily imply that the needed resources for such expanding populations, must somehow be available, if only people would work together and develop and harvest them. And that the planet can likely withstand our "population pressure" easier than couples can be expected to struggle with anti-life "birth control." I would much rather that nature be altered or adapted, than that there be fewer people alive in the world. I have heard that there are now so many people in the world that we can't really go backwards to the old ways of doing things. The old ways were inefficient and would no longer feed everybody without some use of modern technology? We have to go forwards. Which of course includes humans being free to make room for all the more human population, as most all jobs automatically do in some way, and so an expanding workforce, naturally helps accomodate rising human populations. The world would be much "incomplete" without huge human populations to build nations and civilization. After all, the Earth is the most human-friendly planet we know of.What are the enviro wackos more afraid of when it comes to human population? That the planet can't hold so many people? Or that perhaps it can after all? Do we hypothetically face starvation or global overcrowding, if human populations continue to grow "unchecked?"Well you suggest that the planet can probably fit even some 20 billion people, so probably "overcrowding" isn't much the issue?I observe that if humans fail to limit their numbers, nature probably won't do it either. Malthus was much wrong about his gloom and doom population pessimism. Malthus said that somebody must die to make room for each birth. Nonsense. Here we are some 2 centuries later, with some 6 times the world population. And people living longer, in better health and nutrition, and gaining wealth. Good thing our ancestors didn't follow his pathetic "advice" lest we all wouldn't have had opportunity to be born.I do think the world is growing more urban and more "artificial" with its ever rising human population. But humans seem to be better off for it, and people are better fed. In fact, better nutrition seems the most likely factor for the earlier puberty people are having now. Obesity is a growing problem even in China. I heard a news report not long ago, that even the dogs in China are becoming obese. And some poster on another forum, suggested a new population theory, that "too much" food encourages "wild" population growth, at least in the animal kingdom. Perhaps it might be similar with humans? Well which is it? "Too much" or "too little" food? Or is it just an obsession to find or make up bad news?Adding more mouths to the world, most likely will lead to more food production, not more hunger. I saw something about the rate of hunger declining through the world, probably at www.overpopulation.comI think it cool to see former farmland converted to suburbs and human housing. I think it is cool to see more areas inhabited, more cities and towns being built and urban sprawl gobbling up ever more land especially if driven naturally by natural increase, or urban areas growing closer together or even coelescing, so that all the more people may live and experience life, at least somewhere. Agriculture is rather "old" technology, and if it ever came to be needed, I think food production in the future could tend towards becoming more synthetic and less agricultural, freeing up land not to give back to forests or nature, but to be inhabited by the rising human population. The Biblical solution to population growth, way back in Genesis, is not "birth control" but to spread out, as Abraham and Lot's growing tribes did, to better accomodate their welcome growth. Well in today's world, as the frontiers are pretty much "gone," that means more urbanized areas, and somewhat less rural areas.People keep leaving and depopulating the countryside, in search of the opportunity and jobs of the cities. I think it would be cool for people to move back to the rural areas, but now at urban densities, because there is getting to be so many of us.Not only will all the future people "fit" on the planet, but the people can both survive and thrive, at least with good leadership. Wouldn't it be prudent to plan for and welcome population growth, as there is perhaps no civilized way to stop it?In reply to:9imagine the riots and revolutions, and corruption) that human population "control" would bring? Procreating gives the people something to do, to keep them out of trouble. Parents with dependents, tend to be more conservative and responsible members of society, as they have dependents dependent on them, and they care for the welfare of their children.
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In every forum you have avoided my question...how do you plan on supporting your large family?
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You're all walking us in circles with you're babbling Pronatalist, making up shit so you can at least sound like you're right. Well whatever your opinion is, no one agrees with you yet, so I suggest you quit. You keep insisting future generations would love to live. How do you know? They don't exist yet you freak! We already talked about this. I know you just want to have the last word because you're a control freak, but just quit it already. Dammit!
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I think it cool to see former farmland converted to suburbs and human housing. I think it is cool to see more areas inhabited, more cities and towns being built and urban sprawl gobbling up ever more land especially if driven naturally by natural increase, or urban areas growing closer together or even coelescing, so that all the more people may live and experience life, at least somewhere
You are a fricken idiot. Yeah I just love seeing expanses of tract home, streets and cars. Why don't we just pave over every possible inch of earth. You should just go stick your head in a hole in the ground and go live in your own fantasy world. Your endless babble is really tiring as noone agrees with your nonsense. Go argue your nonsense with your own circle of wackos.
How about this?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&e=3&u=/nm/environment_europe_warming_dc
Maybe more people would help???
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In reply to: just quit it already. Dammit! word! when people go on, and on, and on....just do like I do my girlfriend...smile and nod! lol
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I agree with you SDP... I mean, all that farmland used up... imagine, 30% less farmland to fit 50% more people in... oh crap. Now they haven't got enough food. Too bad, now the population is going down because people are starving!