Originally Posted By: OldFolksThere's nothing wrong with teaching kids that people are different and lead different lives and that it doesn't make them bad people. If someone has a problem with that message than it starts to look like all they're after is not wanting the school to countermand their message of hate, superiority and discrimination. That I have a real problem with. So, basically, there's nothing wrong with causing confusion as to what little Johnny is supposed to do with his dick when he gets old enough, eh? Great for all those liberal population-control nuts, though. Thing is, I'm quite certain you'd have "a problem" if what was being taught came from a Christian perspective. If you truly believe in equality in the manner you claim to, then that perspective is just as valid as yours...so...are you a hypocrit or not?
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OMG Thor... you make it sound like they are teaching kids how to molest each other or some ridiculous thing. They are trying to teach kids tolerance by explaining what homosexuality really is... not what the CHRISTIAN AGENDA wants to push.Homosexual children need a safe place they can go to help them through the ordeal and to come to understand there is nothing wrong with them. Do you not understand how many kids every year commit suicide because they are gay or confused about their sexual identity? We need more organizations like this to help kids and save them from suicide, drug use etc.Thing is Thor tolerance SHOULD start at home, but sadly we still have people like yourself who wish to continue to spread hate and intolerance. We need to have organizations out there that have the best interest of the children at heart since we have parents that cannot seem to do that.
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This may be a startling concept but respect for basic human rights is beyond any religion. What is trying to be taught here is tolerance.
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I find it truly revolting the way these neo-Christians like to wear the cloak of victimhood while protesting the funerals of gay soldiers, while seeking to impose their most current form of morality on the populace and while looking the other way when the rights of any minority, be it religious, ethnic or local, are trampled on.
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Originally Posted By: thor
Originally Posted By: OldFolks
There's nothing wrong with teaching kids that people are different and lead different lives and that it doesn't make them bad people. If someone has a problem with that message than it starts to look like all they're after is not wanting the school to countermand their message of hate, superiority and discrimination. That I have a real problem with.
So, basically, there's nothing wrong with causing confusion as to what little Johnny is supposed to do with his dick when he gets old enough, eh? Great for all those liberal population-control nuts, though. Thing is, I'm quite certain you'd have "a problem" if what was being taught came from a Christian perspective. If you truly believe in equality in the manner you claim to, then that perspective is just as valid as yours...so...are you a hypocrit or not?
What you seriously need to understand Thor is sexuality is not something you choose, you're born with it. I never chose to be gay just as you never choose to be straight. Who in their right mind chooses a life of discrimination? If sexuality was a choice, I don't think the issue of homosexual rights would even be an issue since I doubt there would be any homosexuals to worry about.
Oh and I think you need to look very hard at yourself before you start calling anyone else a hypocrite...
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Eddie, Scotty, You already said it all so I will only add that I agree with the two of you.Now if they were trying to turn children gay, or some shit like that, then I can see a problem, saying its OK to be who you are and love who you happen to love... what the fuck is the problem?and I do not see how there is any confusion about what to do with your dick when your old enough, I knew gay people existed when I was a kid, I still knew that I wanted to fuck girls.So long as what someone does does not tread on my own conditions, its none of my fucking business.
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I don't understand the objection to teaching tolerance for others whether at the home or anyplace. Tolerance doesn't mean you have to accept what they do is correct it just means there's no need in hating them for what they believe. Of course it's beyond me why anybody would care at all.
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those evil christians should be put to death. they are always trying to convert people to their ways. poor, confused children being taught that the way of christ is the way for them.how dare they undermine my parenting. religion should only be taught in thr home.
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Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfOMG Thor... you make it sound like they are teaching kids how to molest each other...That's exactly the effect. Get them all curious way before they even have an inkling of what they believe. Tell them what to believe long before they can decide for themselves. But when they do start to molest each other, and they will, I will remind you of what you said above...and you will try and laugh it off or bury your head in the sand yet again. If you only held yourselves accountable for the very things you demand of others...but you don't, and you never will.
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Originally Posted By: OldFolks
This may be a startling concept but respect for basic human rights is beyond any religion. What is trying to be taught here is tolerance.
That's not a concept...it's an oxymoron. You can't claim human rights when you're in the process of violating them to get them. It seems that for you, human rights only applies to those who think like you do...nobody else gets them. And no matter how you try and spin it, you are still a hypocrit for saying so.
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I played doctor with my neighbour long before the evil influence of sex education.Your type are like dinosaurs sinking in a tar pit. Sorry man but the world is moving forward without you.
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Originally Posted By: unsupervisedI played doctor with my neighbour long before the evil influence of sex education.Your type are like dinosaurs sinking in a tar pit. Sorry man but the world is moving forward without you. Right over a cliff...
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over a cliff maybe.. but theres a bridge there!! moving on up!!!!!!!!!!!WHOOOHOOO!!! I just read this post today!! Im so happy!!Everybody do a happy dance!!!
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You seem to keep hearkening back to the misconception that sex is being addressed. It's not about sex it's about the fact, yes it's a fact, that families come in different shapes and sizes and that nothing is inherently wrong with that. You seem to be obsessed with sex. Kids read these book and go, "Okay I read a book out Suzie who just has a mom... or two moms... or two dads... or just a dad. Hey look there's a bug in the classroom!" Unlike there parents they aren't visualizing Daddy Tom blowing Daddy Bill no more than visualize Pappa Bear strapping Momma Bear into the sling.And yes basic human rights do trump the right to express religious beliefs as law or policy. A person has the right to live there life as they see fit as long as it doesn't interfere with another's equal right. Demonstrating that there are different families of different make-ups does not malign anyones' rights. It is a cultural fact. This has nothing to do with sex except in the dirty little minds of those who have a problem with what constitutes a family.
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You seem to miss the whole point...that being that believing as one chooses to IS a basic human right! And if Christians can't evangelize the in classroom, neither can homosexuals. Fair is fair. As for families haveing two male or female parents, that is NOT a family...no offspring can naturally come from such an arrangement. All this aside, I think you're missing the "S.E.X." in the word "homosexual". It is this group of folks who have chosen to define themselves by their sexual preference...not I or anyone else. And what they are trying to push in the classroom has nothing to do with accepted, normal behavior...it is all about brainwashing. That's not allowed in public schools. Private schools is another matter, but my tax dollars are not to be spent on the homosexual agenda.You can make believe it's all about teaching tolerance and whatever other form of malarkey you can dream up, but you're only fooling yourself for the sake of keeping your mind in la-la land. You're not fooling me for a second. And as unsup has pointed out, there are plenty more like me around...probably more than there are like you, if that makes any difference to you. (Hint: in a democracy it should!)You tend to cling to the rules that suit your immediate needs, then try to discard them when they backfire on you. This is generally known as a lack of integrity. Life is real...it's not some game you think you can play and come out a "winner".
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There was never a book or diagram saying first kiddies you get your wang hard then ya spit on your buddies asshole and stuff your dick in it, pump till ya get weak knees, and then trade places.No pictures of guys sucking each others dicks and telling the kids that you HAVE to swallow the load.It states some peopel have 2 dads or 2 moms, thats about fucking it. Why blow shit up so big when its really nothing?jesus jumped up fucking christ on a crutch with toast, its nothing, and teaching them god is a something, teaching them to be tolerant of families that believe int hat horseshit is another matter, and since the idea is teaching tolerance thats exactly what they show, tolerant of everyones lives, be it for god, or for sucking dick.I only bring up the men being gay apsects and leave out the chics licking clits because since your so against gays I have to assume you still love the lesbos, otherwise...your gay, classic case closet self loather.Do ya enjoy watching girls batting an angry clam with a tongue thor?is ya gay? (not a single man alive is against watching and maybe sharing in that experience who isnt gay) or just full filling your hypocritic oath?now sit down, shut up, and let the people with a brain fix what your heros fucked up in this country.
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good god you're a sick little man"not a family"?that's as pathetic as your traditional deffinition of marriage (which you are yet to define by the way)
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Originally Posted By: thorTell them what to believe long before they can decide for themselves.HA!! Thats fucking hilarious coming from you!!And if your child asked you about homosexuality, what would you tell them? You would obviously want to tell them something, because if you ignore the question then they'll just find out from somewhere else. So what would you, or have you, told them?
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Your an amusing individual. :smile:
>>>"...believing as one chooses to IS a basic human right!"
No one is telling you what to believe or what to teach your kid about homosexuality.
>>>"As for families haveing two male or female parents, that is NOT a family..."
Wrong, a family is a group of people that make up a household. Whether good God loving folks agree with it or not society no longer lynches two men or two women living to together and raising a family.
>>>"All this aside, I think you're missing the 'S.E.X.' in the word 'homosexual'."
This honestly doesn't even deserve a response. I do, however, want to point out this strange obsession with anything referencing sex, whether it's about the act or not.
>>>"It is this group of folks who have chosen to define themselves by their sexual preference"
Wrong, it's other folks that do the defining. When the homophobes see two men hold hands, or God forbid kiss, they are the ones that apply stereotypes and judgments. They are the ones the automatically go to visualizations of sexual acts between the two. They are the ones doing the defining, not two men walking down the street trying to enjoy their day.
>>>"And what they are trying to push in the classroom has nothing to do with accepted, normal behavior"
Wrong, it has been decades since homosexuality was regarded as abnormality. It is a normal trait seen in a large proportion of the species. Kind of like being black is a trait seen in a large proportion of the species, and nobody has a problem with that (he says tongue in cheek).
It is about tolerance. Society has decided that they no longer are going to kill or threaten or berate or belittle people for their sexual orientation. As in any society there are those that fear change and resist it and don't want to leave their prejudice beliefs behind. So to move forward tolerance for difference must be taught.
I'm just wondering what do you think the "gay agenda" is? What is you think the ultimate goal is for these people?
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I'm going to try and be delicate here, Thor, because you hit a few nerves with me on that short little narrow minded post of ours.
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As for families haveing two male or female parents, that is NOT a family. ...no offspring can naturally come from such an arrangement
I will agree that offspring cannot come from two males or two females but there are adoptions as well as surrogate mothers and sperm banks to where offspring is possible.
It sickens me that you can call yourself a Christian and have such hatred in your blood. As long as two people love that child unconditionally they are a family. There are thousands of children in group homes and foster care who would love nothing more than a family to love them regardless of the family dynamics.
Adam and I are starting our foster care classes this summer so we can participate in the Foster to Adopt program in Ohio. When we have a child in our home that we can love we will be a family unit.
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All this aside, I think you're missing the "S.E.X." in the word "homosexual".
I know Rad already said this but "SEX" is also in heterosexuality, Bisexuality, Asexuality etc, so what is your point?
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It is this group of folks who have chosen to define themselves by their sexual preference...not I or anyone else.
WTF? We are not trying to define ourselves by our sexuality, but instead people like you are trying to deny basic human rights by sexuality. What people like myself are trying to achieve are equal rights and spread tolerance. People should not be discriminated against because they were born a certain way. To me it would be like trying to deny a blind person the right to marry because they were born blind; something they had no control over.
And yes I know that comparison will be lost on you because you have stuck in your simple little mind that we choose tour sexuality. But I've asked you this before which you so simply refuse to answer... when did you choose to be straight?
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And what they are trying to push in the classroom has nothing to do with accepted, normal behavior...it is all about brainwashing.
Seriously? Brainwashing? Teaching young children to be tolerant towards those that are different than them is brainwashing? I'm baffled and almost lost for words that you can be so intolerant and hateful.
Imagine if in Lincoln Nebraska if their schools taught tolerance how Matthew Shepard might have never been murdered simply because he was gay.
Can you not see the benefits of teaching kids tolerance to those that are different? And you do realize that just because one is tolerant doesn't mean they have to agree with the "lifestyles".
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homosexual agenda
This pains me to even say this because I'm a Christian... but what about the Christian Agenda? The Agenda that seems to want to spread fear and hatred instead of what Christianity is supposed to be about which is love and tolerance.Quote:
there are plenty more like me around...probably more than there are like you, if that makes any difference to you. (Hint: in a democracy it should!)
So us minorities should bow down to you white Christian majority? Wow... and to think I thought my opinion of you could get any lower, you went and proved me wrong.
There is so much wrong with that statement, Thor. If we are all going to pay the same taxes and live under the same rules than we should all get the same benefits and protections. I am not a second-class citizen and I will refuse to be treated.
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Life is real...it's not some game you think you can play and come out a "winner".
There should even been winners and losers at this point, Thor. There should be equals. Regardless of what you might think I am not lower than you or some scum on your shoe. I am your equal and that's how we should all be treated.