Cons vs Libs

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You make too many assumptions. These were friends of friends...they had no reason/impetus to play the kind of games you're referring to...but keep digging. Maybe you'll come up with something else.

there was a time when conservatism was a quaint, old fashioned idea, mostly attributed to grannies. Now, it's a call to arms for American fascists. As these morons, out of touch with the world, try to paint "liberals" as being out of touch, they continually prove that they have no idea what is happening in the world around them.So tell me now, neo-conservative christians, what part of Christ's teachings validate the concepts of no-healthcare for the poor

Thor that was a stupid joke. The whole if a black… part was stupid, because if they ddnt get help from the government then they would still not have te right to vote, and still get beat up over the fact that they're skin color is different than yours. Basically what I'm going to say is don't state things whn you do know everything, oh and for your information you DONT know everything. (I thought I should clear that up for you)

Originally Posted By: thor

From a group of folks who were born and raised there...visiting here for a time on a visa. The reality often evades the statistics. For example, do you really believe that the unemployed in this country is still less than 10%? I sometimes forget you're not from here...but most anybody who is from here would immediately know the answer to that question. Stats can be made to show just about anything...depending on the agenda of the one who wants them.

I came upon a quote from Carl Sagan just now that I think fits my response to this perfectly.

Originally Posted By: Carl Sagan

What counts is not what sounds plausible, not what we would like to believe, not what one or two witnesses claim, but only what is supported by hard evidence rigorously and skeptically examined. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious

Originally Posted By: Carl Sagan

What counts is not what sounds plausible, not what we would like to believe, not what one or two witnesses claim, but only what is supported by hard evidence rigorously and skeptically examined. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Carl Sagan smoked way too much dope.

It's not ucommon for certain folks to think it doesn't exist if it can't be proven by human beings...which would make it fall into the category of "what we would like to believe"; because there are many (athiests, mostly) who would like to believe we humans have all the answers. We are, after all, the greatest creature in the universe...right? (Please say you can note the sarcasm)

No...there are plenty of things, many of them extraordinary, that lay beyond our ability to prove or disprove. You may continue to bow to your own God of Science...I will continue to use science as a tool; which is all that it really is.

Originally Posted By: thorIt's not ucommon for certain folks to think it doesn't exist if it can't be proven by human beings...which would make it fall into the category of "what we would like to believe"; because there are many (athiests, mostly) who would like to believe we humans have all the answers. We are, after all, the greatest creature in the universe...right? (Please say you can note the sarcasm)No...there are plenty of things, many of them extraordinary, that lay beyond our ability to prove or disprove. You may continue to bow to your own God of Science...I will continue to use science as a tool; which is all that it really is. What the hell does any of this have to do with some god or atheists? The point is, it takes more than one simple anecdote from one couple to lend any validity to such an extraordinary claim of taxation. Without corroborating verifiable facts tall tails of such taxation are just that.

Originally Posted By: OldFolks Originally Posted By: thorIt's not ucommon for certain folks to think it doesn't exist if it can't be proven by human beings...which would make it fall into the category of "what we would like to believe"; because there are many (athiests, mostly) who would like to believe we humans have all the answers. We are, after all, the greatest creature in the universe...right? (Please say you can note the sarcasm)No...there are plenty of things, many of them extraordinary, that lay beyond our ability to prove or disprove. You may continue to bow to your own God of Science...I will continue to use science as a tool; which is all that it really is. What the hell does any of this have to do with some god or atheists? The point is, it takes more than one simple anecdote from one couple to lend any validity to such an extraordinary claim of taxation. Without corroborating verifiable facts tall tails of such taxation are just that. These were friends of friends, who had no reason to lie and no purpose, such as Ineligible suggested, to put on airs. Now, who would you believe...the people who have to pay, or the government who collects the taxes? Think about it. Which would you be more inclined to trust? (Hint: In a socialist nation, all stats are made - and therefor controlled - by the government.)

Originally Posted By: thorNo...there are plenty of things, many of them extraordinary, that lay beyond our ability to prove or disprove. You may continue to bow to your own God of Science...I will continue to use science as a tool; which is all that it really is. God of Science? Do you have a list of these phrases that you keep close to hand so you can spit them out randomly? When have I ever made science out to be anything more than a (very useful) tool?

you show nothing but disdain for science and discovery. You seem to prefer that all magical "POOF THEORY"If there is an answer that science has not yet discovered, it must be a result of poof theory.POOF, and there it is in all it's holy glory, just as perfect as it's maker. Unfortunately, there is so much natural imperfection in the world, it doesn't speak to highly of the creator.POOF... bipeds with fallen arches and bad backsPOOF... earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, flooddoesn't sound like a great track record, although flowers turned out fairly well. I like flowers.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorNo...there are plenty of things, many of them extraordinary, that lay beyond our ability to prove or disprove. You may continue to bow to your own God of Science...I will continue to use science as a tool; which is all that it really is. God of Science? Do you have a list of these phrases that you keep close to hand so you can spit them out randomly? When have I ever made science out to be anything more than a (very useful) tool? When you decided to have faith in it beyond what can scientifically be proven.

Originally Posted By: unsuperviseddoesn't sound like a great track record... You assume to understand the purpose...I can assure you that you do not. Nobody does.

poof, there is a purpose.

"it's not for us to understand" might be the oldest cop-out on record. Thanks for digging it up.

Originally Posted By: thorWhen you decided to have faith in it beyond what can scientifically be proven. And when did I do that?

Like you DO understand the purpose?Please. And don't tell me that you put "Nobody does.", therefore you meant you don't either, and that I'm reading wrong, because, if I am, then I must be imagining that "I can assure you that you do not." ...meaning you understand the purpose behind EVERYTHING that happens in the world. Uh-huh, right. That's what I thought.

When you decided to believe that Isaac Newton came up with Calculus as a way to calculate gravity, and that Xenon is a noble gas.

Perhaps it's just as well for thor that his Dutch friends didn't decide to sell him a bridge. I lived for some time in the Netherlands when I was very young. They were a rather inscrutable people, with a considerable disdain for foreigners. Though thor was most probably taken in by simple hyperbole, it actually would be in the Dutch character to do some deliberate fooling.

Originally Posted By: IneligiblePerhaps it's just as well for thor that his Dutch friends didn't decide to sell him a bridge. I lived for some time in the Netherlands when I was very young. They were a rather inscrutable people, with a considerable disdain for foreigners. Though thor was most probably taken in by simple hyperbole, it actually would be in the Dutch character to do some deliberate fooling. Cool! Maybe you'd care to share some thoughts on their political system as observed first-hand. After all...you did live over there a short time as a child, so you must know all about how it works...right? Sorry...but it's posts like these that lead me to think we desperately need a :rolleyes: emoticon.

Originally Posted By: thorWhen you decided to have faith in it beyond what can scientifically be proven. And when did I do that?

Originally Posted By: bobalicious

Originally Posted By: thor

When you decided to have faith in it beyond what can scientifically be proven.

And when did I do that?

When you mentally tied natural selection to evolution. I don't know how many times I've had to remind you that they are not one and the same. There's a lot of evidence for evolution...none for natural selection as the motus operandi for evolution. Unless you attribute our existance to a universal crap-shoot with the odds astronomically against us ever existing at all, you have no reason to believe in natural selection. Our universe has been proven to have an order to it...randomness does not dictate our future.

I don't confuse evolution and natural selection, I use the word evolution as a shorthand for the theory of evolution by natural selection.

And for what I hope will be the last time that I have to say this to you, Natural Selection is the NON-random selection of random mutations.