Martial arts or plain fist fighting?

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Come on how much can you really rack up on the bench? 200lbs? 220?

is this going somewhere???? .....

Hey JR. step out of the way!

will do as long as theres a fight

Hey im new to the boards.I would have to say mixed styles help alot. I used to take martial arts, which really helped my reflex's and speed to block. Now I take boxing lessons which helps me on my footwork and punches. Well yesterday I got in a fight at school with this one redneck kid(I dont hate rednecks FYI). The kid was about 3 inches smaller then me, about a year younger than me. He was talking crap about me, so I went up to him and punched him in the face about 10 times. The thing down here most people use submissive moves (works good if you do it right). So he tries to takle me, but lands flat on his face leaving me some free hits. I blocked most of his punches but he hit me 2 good times.So in my experience kickboxing helped me more for the actual fighting but the martial arts training helped too. Btw if you choose to do MA dont go to a pussy dojo, it feels more like a elementary gym more than a Dojo... btw 17 years old, pretty skinny kid and any adult could probaly kick my ass lol!

LOL well at least you're honest and know your place. Mixed martial arts definately help WITH TIME. Take someone who has never been in a fight before in his life & put him up against a martial artist then I'd bet on the guy with fight training. However you take an experienced martial artist who only trains one dimensionally (like say karate & Kickboxing only) and put him up against an experienced street fighter - I got my odds on the the guy who got his training from actual fighting instead of in the gym.

Yes max. Just what I thought

thank you sexpot! that's exactly what i was fixinta say.

try jiu jitsu. combines wresting and judo. anyway you still have to condition no matter what.

ive never tried jui jitsue, im gonna though, seeing as im really in to martial arts

Does anyone know the martial art the US Marines use? I think Cenfath does.

He brought up a couple of interesting points.1) The south is MUCH different from the north. I come from Queens, New York. I lived there for 13 years, and when I came to South Florida I was 14. I thought I came from the "hood" in New York just to find myself seeing more fights than I'd ever seen in my life. However, I've only lost one fight, and I was jumped.2) Height doesn't mean shit. It's true. I've faced off against people much, much taller than me...6'7, 6'8..I'm 5'10, 18 years old. And the fact of the matter is, I always come out of a fight unscathed. People seriously don't believe that I'd gotten into fights sometimes because I simply don't have a mark on me.***HOW TO WIN A FIGHT***It's actually pretty simple. There's no martial-arts, high kicks or techniques to it. You are basically either moving, or attacking. Let me explain.When you are fighting against someone, you must always assume that they can beat you. Even though it's negative thinking, it keeps you on your toes. Now, the first phase of the fight is simply backing up/dodging attacks from the opponent. As long as you can last three-five minutes without getting hit (and your opponent keeps swinging) you've won.Why? Because by this point, most people will be very tired. Swinging takes a lot of energy even if done properly, and most people don't. If you're opponent doesn't look visibly tired after five minutes of swinging, you might be fighting with someone that's not just anyone. Doesn't mean you can't win, just means it won't be easy.Well, hopefully your opponent is tired. You can do one of two patterns here (or both)--counterattack and/or assault.***COUNTERATTACK***This is simple. Since you're opponent is hopefully tired, wait till he swings. It will probably be slow :P. AS SOON AS HE SWINGS, YOU SWING, and move in the same direction of the fist he threw. If he threw his right, move right, (dodging his attack) and if you swung when he swung, you'll clock him--easily. FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR WELL-BEING -- IF YOU GET HIT, STOP DOING THIS. Go back to the previous tactic of backing up/dodging hits till your opponent gets tired. Don't think you can dodge his hit and then have this guy 25-hit your ass.***ASSAULT***So this guy's looking really tired, and he's not swinging? Well, don't just stand there! Pretend you're playing Killer Instinct, and show him an Ultra Combo. The more times you hit him in succession, the less likely he'll ever mess with you again. I'm known to hit 9-10 times in rapid succession. I should note that I don't work out, have no muscles, no 6 pack or anything like that. I'm actually fat right now and trying to lose weight.***WHERE TO HIT***You can't just hit anywhere. In my previous five fights, the most prevalent area that I've always hit is the throat. Most people don't expect this, and if you can get two or three hits here (in succession) the fight is yours.Another place you can hit is the temple (just to the side of the eye), the windtunnel in your stomach (not sure what it's called, but if you hit it right they lose their air and can't fight for 1/2 minute.), the knees, the eyes, the balls.Stay away from the jaw, the skull, the legs (unless its the knees or you're 120% sure you can knock them down), etc. Also, objects are your FRIENDS. If you find a chair, use it! If you find a steel pipe, USE IT! If you find a dead dog, USE IT!!! (Gross, but effective.)***SUPER-OPPONENT (MUST READ)***Lets say this guy's really fast, doesn't get tired, and he even got a few hits on you. Now you must raise the bar, and don't focus on hitting him. Instead, focus on your own safety, and make sure he can't hit you again. The next time he swings, try the counterattack to hit him in the throat. Gauge his eyes, and quickly grab his stronger arm. Kick him in the balls, and while he's worried about that, break his arm. Continue by fucking him up like there's no tommorow (Think: assault)***MISCELLANEOUS***If by chance this guy charges at you, please know that he never won the fight. If you swing with full force, and your knuckle connects with one of the good places to hit people (throat, eyes, even jaw in this case) you will break what you touch.Think about it like this: He's charging at you, and you swing with 100% power, connect for...150? 200? 250% power? Pretty devastating. Only dumbasses charge into battle.***REAL-LIFE CONFRONTATION***Don't get me wrong. I actually don't like fighting. But sometimes you have to defend what's yours, be it pride, your Rolex watch, or your girlfriend. But if there is another way to solve a problem, I try and go for it. Fighting really doesn't solve anything, and just leaves the loser bent on revenge. He comes back for you, and it kind of cycles, on and on.This is an actual fight that happened between me, and a 21-year old 6'3" muscular black guy. To this day, my friends (and I :P) are astounded that he didn't tear me into the ground.This guy came up, and it was very little talking. Black people are notorious for getting straight into the action, and I already knew that he wanted to fight me, and now he'd seen me in public. It was night-time, so I guess he figured "why not?".Well, this guy comes swinging at me full-crazy. I just start backing up and moving out of the way, making sure to look all around (didn't want to trip over something). I don't like to go back in a straight line, but I like moving side-to-side, kind of in a circle. It continued like that for THREE MINUTES (it was a pretty long three minutes though), and he was getting REALLY pissed...but had no energy to feed off. Seeing as how this was my chance, I tried to get in close, and he swung.I ducked ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND, and I came back up AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. He was still pulling his arm back to him, and I hit him twice in the throat. choke choke. I punched him in the windtunnel, and DOWN he went...while he was down there, I kicked him in the face more than twice. After that, I decided that he had enough torture, so I punched him with ALL MY POWER to both temples, and he was out cold.My friend congratulated me with some Pizza, but I was really nervous lol I couldn't eat. My adrenaline pumps and I start shaking after a fight.Well, that's all I have to offer. Sorry for making it so damn long, and I hope everyone benefits from my post.

Wow, well you seem pretty experienced. You also bring up some good points. Knowing where to strike is an advantage, but you also need to know how to hold your own on the ground. From what I got from your post you're more of a stand-up fighter. There's nothing wrong with that but be careful when you come across an experienced wrestler. He will be able to take you down without you gettin your licks in. But it sounds like you have enough knowledge on the subject, so I dont need to preach.

Sounds to me like you came out pretty lucky in most of your fights. The duck and dodge technique only works when the other person continues to fall for it.

My advice to anyone who wants it - try your best to stay out of fights. If you want to learn self-defense then take either a MIXED martial arts or 2 different types (like say kickboxing & judo). But if you're set on being a "badass" then experience is the fastest & best way to learn...

You hit the guy in the temple. You know that can cause someone to be brain damaged, paralyzed, or even dead?

Thank you man that is exactly what i wanted to know. Next time someone pisses me off i will try that. I'm pretty sure that will work better then what i usually do. I am only 15 i have been in 5 fights and in every one i have just snapped and either tryed to choke the person or through them around. I have been wantin to find a good fist fightin technique like that cause the way i have been using works but not nearly good enough. Thank you alot. I'm gona study memorize the steps in that and use it next time I get into a fight. I am fairly small 5'7 but i have a big chest and stuff. I do alot of push ups. I am gettin off track anyhow with my size and how fast i am i think punchin would work better then what i used befor.
I have seriosuly hurt 3 of the guys in the fights cause one of them was a skinny black guy and i tossed him around like a rag doll. I dont have much experience at all but i have more then most of my friends. thanks alot.

You can take infinite's advice, or you can take mine: don't obsess about fights; it's a waste of time and effort. The people that rule this world couldn't stand their ground in a fight for 15 seconds.

I dunno bout that. Arnold & ol Jesse Ventura both run parts of this country & I would think they could hold their owm, well at least back in their prime anyway.

True enough, but surely you recognize that they're the exception, and not the rule. The ability to fight is a skill that has few marketable applications.

Yeah I agree that they're the exceptions. They are exceptions to pretty much everything.I definately dont support fighting, but it does have its perks. For example professional fighters make a pretty nice paycheck every night, and I bet that most of them got their start at a young age. And on another note, try telling that to the lil kid always getting bullied. I bet he wishes he could defend himself.I'm not sure where you're from but around here fighting is just part of every day life. You ever seen the movie Fight Club? Where a group of guys get together & fight for the fun of it? That's kinda the way it is around here. I mean nobody lets it get outta hand, but fightin is one of the best ways to get into shape.And to touch on what you said, most of the leaders of this country cant really fight, but they have an assload of security that can and will .I geuss I just grew up around it, so it doesnt bother me. Just the way I raised I geuss.

Powerlifter - Yeah, but you gotta figure they only have to fall for it ONCE. Also, you're right, I never came across an experienced wrestler...I think I would lose against them, because I can't fight for shit on the ground. BTW, my neighborhood is like yours, kinda...me and my brother fight some friends of ours sometimes for fun. We don't hit each other in "vital points" (like mostly everything I mentioned in my last post) but everything else is OK.

Stonev1 - Kick some ass, dude. ^_^ Just don't abuse what I taught you...if someone pisses you off, just tell him if he wants to start a fight, all he has to do is push you. He probably will, and as soon as his hands touch your chest, proceed with the asswhooping. (Kind of gives you a reason...you can say he provoked it ^_^)

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Dude, I have a better idea. When he pushes you, pretend like you're really soft, and just look at him...then turn around, and act like your gonna walk away. This makes the opponent a little less tense, and he won't expect what comes next...A SWING FROM HELL!! Turn around while swinging, make sure it connects, and he will probably go sprawling backward, eventually to the ground. I've seen this one done before by my friend, and it was BEAUTIFUL...His fist had STARS around it, it was so pretty lol. Just make sure you don't hit anyone else but him when you turn around and swing :P.

Websexinfo - I assure you that he probably wanted to kill me. So it was either him, or me. Also, he started the fight. If you knew me in real life, you would know that I don't go around picking fights...but I'm not gonna let someone take advantage of me. If you're okay with fighting but you're not okay with killing someone, then you shouldn't be fighting. You can kill someone by hitting them in the wrong spot accidentally, so you have to be prepared for anything. BTW, the dude didn't die...lucky bitch :P.

Steppenwolf - I'm not telling everyone to go around beating people up now that they know this. I assume that everyone will use my knowledge ONLY IN SELF-DEFENSE...You guys are smarter than to pick fights. Like I said earlier, fighting doesn't solve SHIT...but don't stand there and take hits either.