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Ok, sorry to keep being the only person posting, but I know that some people are still reading and not posting so I'll stick this up.I've been doing more research using different sources in favor of either side, and these are the best I've found.http://Trueorigins.org and http://www.evowiki.org are two evolution supporting websites. Both use outright lies mixed in with scientific sounding words to capture the audience's attention and push them towards evolution while offering little scientific fact. Both, however, do make a few valid arguments, but their overall bias against creationists comes out in their anger. They don't speak highly of young earth creationists in any way.http://drdino.com is a christian site. It is also extremely biased, uses some science (also mixed in with some outright lies), but also uses some outdated methods proven to be inaccurate. It also isn't very courteous to the opposing side. It supports the anti-evolutionist side, however even I don't agree with a lot of the evidence used on this site. Use it carefully if at all.http://AnswersinGenesis.org is a christian site, but it is one of the least biased out there. It looks at a lot of the arguments for evolution, and explains why they are unreliable and even unrealistic, sometimes flat out lies. It also, however, loos at the arguements a lot of creationists make, and explains why THEY are unreliable, unrealistic, or just lies spread around. It then takes the evidence left and evaluates it as well. While it admits that there is a lot unproven or unprovable towards Christianity, it is still more reliable, given the evidence, than evolution. This is a good site for research, though it shouldn't be the only one used. It's always good to compare research and check facts. The hard part is knowing what to believe. I believe that this site is fair to both sides, and polite to both creationists and evolutionists. If you don't believe me, then know that they speak worse of drdino.com and it's creator than they do evolution sites.I'm also in the process of reading and evaluating Darwin's On the Origin of Species and also reading and evaluating an article from the National Geographic issue of Nov. 2004 entitled Was Darwin Wrong? (which is extremely biased, and also poorly written I might add.) I would encourage the same to anybody serious about learning the truth about our existance and purpose in life, and knowing what you believe and why.

It seems that insecure people need somthing to make themselves feel safe. And religion is the answer to some. It's hard to believe that Noah, who was hundreds of years old would build a titanic with wood and nails that housed 2 of every creature on this planet. Then they had to screw their own family members to repopulate the earth. If ships of that size were built thousands of years ago, America would have been found long before Collumbas. If god knows the future then why did he create Adam and Eve knowing that they would screw it up? And if they would have chopped that apple tree down then we would have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 people on this planet because no one would die.If heaven is so great then why did an angel turn from good to evil? You don't have to be evil to disagree with gods word. "Jews are the chosen ones". "Rich people are all going to hell" no matter how much they pray or go to church or believe. "A man and a man shall not lie together".
If for some reason you were born a male with a little bit too much estrogen and were on the feminine side, Then of course you can be born with genes to be gay, that happened to my great uncle. Buddism has been around way longer than christianity, so if you were to say that they are wrong, then you are judging them and will go to hell. There has been absolutley no miracles since the bible was written. Somtimes lucky things happen, You cannot extend someones life through prayer. Life is like gambling, nobody knows when you will die. God does not know that either. The devil does not make someone do wrong, people choose that on there own.
It would be funny one day that someone would find the key to life, and were not that far from it.The bible says that god put a cap on life at 120 yrs. If someone lives longer than that, then it would disprove that god exists, because he is perfect and would never allow anything to be written in the bable if it isnt going to be true.

I think Christianity is a neccesity, not because God is real. I have a million reasons why he isn't but he's more of just an idol. He makes the world a better place if you just skim through not focusing on every word he says. Jesus, maybe not real but his whole ideal is to make peace not violence. Its really faith, when times are hard we rely on him to make us feel better and not do drugs/alcohol or w/e. Real or not, he's helped a lot of people. So shut up last.

In reply to: It's hard to believe that Noah, who was hundreds of years old would build a titanic with wood and nails that housed 2 of every creature on this planet. Noah did not have to populate it with every animal on this planet, he populated it with 2 of every animal on the known planet, which at a time was only barely exceeding the mediterranean. In reply to: If ships of that size were built thousands of years ago, America would have been found long before Collumbas. the size of a ship does not predestine its ability to explore. And it's hard to take an arguement seriously from one who can not spell, Columbus, and he did not discover America, the america's were populated long before he ever came to even exist. In reply to: And if they would have chopped that apple tree down then we would have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 people on this planet because no one would die. Lol chopped down the apple tree? That's an extremely imbolcilic theory you have there. In reply to: If heaven is so great then why did an angel turn from good to evil Lucifer wasn't evil, he was a beautiful angel, created by God. I believe he was one that was given the power to choose, he chose to want more power, and of course, that wouldn't work, so God cast he and his followers out of heaven, into hell, not to reign, but to suffer. In reply to: Jews are the chosen ones". "Rich people are all going to hell" no matter how much they pray or go to church or believe. "A man and a man shall not lie together". Being rich does not go against the Word of God, He does however tell us to not accumulate riches on earth, but to store up riches in heaven, so in fact, everyone in heaven IS rich. In reply to: Then of course you can be born with genes to be gay Genes are blueprints for physical attributes. In reply to: Buddism has been around way longer than christianity, so if you were to say that they are wrong, then you are judging them and will go to hell. It is impossible for us to judge them, the key is to find that line between opinions, and judgement. And I notice that you say, all here who judge are going to hell, is that too, not a judgement? So you see, you have to find that line, but since the latter is so hard to do (impossible since we're not anywhere near God's perfection) one has to assume that all are opinions. In reply to: There has been absolutley no miracles since the bible was written. Somtimes lucky things happen, You cannot extend someones life through prayer. So naiive, the fact that we wake up every morning to a life filled day is in fact a miracle. In reply to: Life is like gambling, nobody knows when you will die. God does not know that either. The devil does not make someone do wrong, people choose that on there own. On the contrary, God does know, because he has a plan for you, me, everybody. That is why taking one's own life is so terrible, it messes up his plan, and like Satan wanting to go against God's plan by becoming more powerful, messing with God's plan...well, you understand. And God only allows the devil to influence us indirectly, that is why people do evil, because they are allowed to by God's good graces, because of free will. In reply to: It would be funny one day that someone would find the key to life, and were not that far from it. Really? not that far you say? I guess that's why HIV/AIDS, Ebola, cancer, influenza, and all these other diseases that are incurable are still so rampent, because we've found or are getting closer to said key?

if God is so great, answer 1 q. why did he let the nazis kill the jews ?

I guess god thought that there were too many of his own image. If god made jesus after his own image, then god must be a jewish man. Can you imagine the shrooms some of the people were on in order to write such jibberish. Sticks turning into snakes, talking burning bushes, talking serpents, god descended to earth with a voice of a thousand waters, white robe, brass shoes, a sword coming out of his mouth, fire in his eyes. What do think joseph was thinking when his virgin wife mary became pregnant? Back in those days, women were stoned to death for cheating on the husband, that was gods rule. Also when you die, I thought only the spirit left the body? jesus's body was missing, and no one saw it leave. Sounds like conspiracy to me. That means that his body is still hidden. If it is ever found, scientists can extract D.N.A. from whatever remains and make a new jesus, then we will then know what god looks like and jesus will have a son, cool huh. Then we can look foreward to the 2nd comming. The earth will destroy itself sooner or later, but who cares i'll be long dead by then. Also a little history on rainbows. Rainbows are caused by light passing through water or anything that can cause light to bend. NOT BY GODS PROMISE NEVER TO FLOOD THE EARTH! If there was sunlight and water before the flood, then i'm sure that someone has seen it before. The bible is a collection of funny stories made up by opium, shroom induced humans, some even chiseling it on stone, Flinstone style. Think of it, most were totaly illiterite and had no idea how to write real words. god was also responsible for his armies killing others too. god loves brutality, just read the old testiment. Killing lambs for offering to thin air? It was all about somthing bleeding and suffering. Even though it is not possible for a few hundred year old man to build such a gigantic ship from trees and spit, lets just pretend that god wanted to clear the world of evil by drowning everone. god is a perfect god that makes no mistakes. Lo and behold, evil started up again right away. DUH! I think somthing is a little screwy. Countless contradictions make the bible hard to believe. First it was eye for eye, tooth for tooth, then it was if someone asks you for somthing, you should give him extra food or whatever, even if it means that you go hungry. Thats nice but suppose I did that nowadays. If there is any christians reading this...i want $20,000 to clear my debt.Now I just have to sit back and should be recieving money anytime. Thanks.

Why do you people keep blaming God for death and destruction? Humans are born to die, there is no way around it, we are all going to die someday, would you blame God when you die, saying I didn't have enough time? But to answer your question, I can offer you one theory that you've heard before here, and another that you might not have heard.

1. God does not choose to intervene, he lets things unfold according to His plan, if Satan wants to show up in an attempt to foil His plan, then that's where it is up to us to either choose the Higher road, the path of God, or the lower one, the path of satan. Hitler chose the lower path. It was his choice, and he took drastric measures to ensure that his choice was fulfilled to the fullest. Now, theory #2.
   2)It is said that in 1938, I believe - don't quote me on that, i'm terribl with dates, that Hitler came to posses what is called the "Spear of Longinus". This spear was supposed to allow it's holder to possess great power, because this spear is believed to be the one that pierced Jesus' side. But it is thought that whom ever holds or possesses this spear can control his own destiny. If Hitler really did procure the spear, then he would have had the power to impliment plans that would not have been possible, had he not had it, like oh say, killing some 4 millions jews.

i know the story with the spear of destiny. If In reply to: God does not choose to intervene why do we hear everyday :" God save me from that terrible car accident" or " God healed my cancer" or stuff ??

Donworry dood, even though some biatch tryed to 1-star rate you i take careo ya

this is still going on? even i got tired of this thread and i am a firm believer in f22 and his crew being pencil necked ignorant nazi-loving space mountain burning asteroids blasting around in a jet-powered monkey navigated cross across the planets relm for the religously insane.

...just...shut up...

NEVER! the rule of the christian fundamentalists must be brought to an end in a horrible and painful way!

yes, that's true. But one has to remember that africans were enslaving africans, that is, defeated tribes, way before the white man came. But I see your point. And we can not blame God for the acts of humanity, he gave us free choice, and he told us to do with it what we will. God does not want to intervene. He lets Satan have reign on earth, therefore if you want justification why bad things happen, ask the devil.

In reply to: NEVER! the rule of the christian fundamentalists must be brought to an end in a horrible and painful way! So it's war, is it? I'm sharpening my sword even as we speak! Engard! Death by bunda!!!

I don't know why you're so intent on ending this thread. Sure, some of the arguments are pointlessly repetitive, but I've learnt many things from this thread. It opened my eyes to the issue by looking at it from so many view points. Every new idea that's introduced to this thread is a wonderful thing. I personally find this to be one of the most interesting and relevant discussions on this forum.I found this page to be interesting, although very complex: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/fitness/spetner.html It relates to F22's argument about evolution being impossible based upon Dr. Lee Spetner's theories on the addition of new information into a cell's DNA being impossible, and this is what stopped me for awhile because it removed an important aspect in the evolutionary theory. In this, by scrolling down to 2. The B Cell Hypermutation Model you will see that he admits that new information can be added and further arguments on how this could or couldn't work for macroevolution as opposed to microevolution. As I said, it's very complex and is far from a light read.

In reply to: http://blogs.salon.com/0002090/2004/12/28.html about the events from the end of last year in S-E Asia In reply to: "I was in the field as a referee. The waves suddenly came in and I was saved by God -- I got caught in the branches of a tree," he said why does God take his time to save this guy and didnt take his time to save the jews , or even the black ppland btw , biatch In reply to: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances ( Billorights ) http://llmain.loslunas.k12.nm.us/School/LLHS/activities/jrotc/bill_of_rights.htmlso STFU and fuck off if you dont want to read this stuff

Well, if you look back a few posts, even Last was wondering why this post was still alive.

Yeah, I really was wondering the same thing (as to why the thread was still going, last I knew it was dead), but I guess once God comes up people can't stop talking about Him. Just one of those things that interests people...I just like to answer any questions people have because God is so misunderstood in the American society today...If you want a good reason why bad things happen, read Genesis chapters 1-3 and the book of Job. I just read a commentary on Job by Warren W. Wiersbe that had some good stuff on that topic. A lot of people wonder stuff like that, and then get mad because they don't have answers, when really they just refuse to look. That book is a pretty easy read, it's a fairly short book, like not even half an inch thick. I think the actual title is 'be patient' if anybody wants to get ahold of it. You don't need the commentary to fully understand the book of Job, but it helps. I've been explaining reasons over this very topic with my dad lately, and he's starting to understand so that's a great thing in my opinion.sorry if I haven't been posting much on anything, there's a Nat'l preaching convention on my campus this week and I've been doin a lot with that. I got to make a presentation for some major preachers in the US. It'll be exciting!Welp, I'll get back on here ASAP, so see y'all later.

Why cant you just post the answer and every1s happy. I dont have time to read all that stuff, Im busy with a f`in book which i need to finish so I can read the Iliad

In reply to: Why cant you just post the answer and every1s happy. I dont have time to read all that stuff, Im busy with a f`in book which i need to finish so I can read the Iliad Answer what?In reply to:NEVER! the rule of the christian fundamentalists must be brought to an end in a horrible and painful way! Last, you've never given us a good reason to not believe in God, all you've done is bash us, other people and God. If you start debating with facts then you will be able to further your goal more than yelling at someone.