HangingSkeleton could have phrased his/her thoughts better, and been less aggressive in attacking others. This personal attack was not a good thing.However I do think that she/he made some good points and I do agree with the overall message. It is a persons choice to have or not have a baby, and we are infringing on free choice if we ban abortion.
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A call to political action
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HangingSkeleton could have phrased his/her thoughts better, and been less aggressive in attacking othersInsight... I was kidding when I called him a dirty word... lol. If you read after that, I was called in idiot... jump on that persons back.Personal attack on me!!! Whoopie.Never attacked you... get it right. As you people can see i know this douche bag . Hypocritical from your first statement.Basically if you say if the baby is a human once sperm and egg join then you are commiting murder when abortion is done. I never said that.Is murder legal in this country? No.Yea it is... just don't get caught and/or be a big wig hot shot... points finger at OJIts funny that say your climbing a mountain and you accidently crack a bald eagles egg, then u get a hefty fine if caught.Why would I be climbing a mountain? Only if there is delicious cheese.I love how you said you want to choose to take that baby out of the world for its own good. Where did I say this? When I was talking about my cousin? That baby is alreadly lucky enough that it didn't have any physical deformities based on the smoking and drinking and what not. But the mental section could still be hiding.WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO CHOOSE WHO LIVES AND DIES?!Hey I'm not choosing. It's the mother's choice.How do you know that child wont grow up and have a wonderful life.How do you know that the child wont grow up and go on welfare?Death Penalty - No I don't support the death penalty. I would support it if it were more strict. So wait... only if it was more strict and painful? What's the difference?I believe the death penalty must be excrutiating and painful like fuck. Ever seen the passion of christ. YEEEA lets do to the murdering like they did to Jesus. But according to some prolifers... the baby goes through excrutiating pain... which in turn would be late term abortion and first trimester abortion.Then i think we would see drastic drops in murder. Who knows... can't knock it unless you try it... lol.Last night Skeleton went as far as to call a baby a parasite. Yes I did.Take it out and it wont survive. Nope, it wont.LOL okay say your actually conceived, can you survive? Yea I can... it's called doing what everyone else is doing nowadays... live off the state.okay lets abort every child because if you bring it into the world because it will have a horrible life due to the fact that it can not survive on its own. That's not what I said. Not in a long shot.ITS JUST A PARASITE!! O yea, regarding parasites, your technically a parasite until the age of 18. Not really... heard of emancipation at 16? Or becoming a ward of the state... you're only a parasite on the government then... but its the 'in thing.Skeleton, if your parents kicked you out of the house at any age from 16 and under, i bet u wouldnt live over a month. Jeeez i doubt it still now.Thing is... they didn't. They chose to have me, and not abort me. The believed that they were ready and could handle a child.My theory is, if you can't handle the consequences of a baby, then you should not be having sex.But sex is fun... lets start making vasectomies and what not free then. Raise taxes to do so... come on... dare you.If you do not have enough common sense to use both a condom and birth control. Then you dont deserve to have sex.But then techniqually you are stopping human life from being formed. You are aborting a baby before it ever even had a chance to be made. (I don't remember the Catholic reasoning for hating contraseptives... them and their 734 kids.)Only instances where i think abortion should be legal is when the baby has no chance at survival or is just going to be born dead anyway. But then throwing yourself down the stairs became so much better of a choice, because then they have to let it out.Regarding coathangers, good go do it illegally where youll most likely end up dead. YES one less pro-choice hahaSo you basically just said... oh who cares... just human life... blahhhhWere not in an era where this country is dominated by religion so who gives a fuck about the bible when it comes to politics. Its not going to get you anywhereNeither is just blah blah blahing... revolution will only change things::gets ready for a flaming::ties sabryn up and burns him with lit ciggies screams happy now?!?!
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muslim man is running for state legislature in GeorgiaIs he qualified for the position? If so, then he should be voted in. Appearance should mean diddly.
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I agree. Although, you know a lot of people are going to make a big deal out of his nationality.
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Yea... because they are full-blooded idiots.
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Looks like I've missed the last couple of posts in this thread (extremely busy week).Websexinfo: I hear you and agree with you on the Electoral College issue. My point was not that they're necessarily legally obligated to vote with the majority, but that this is the de facto state of the Electoral College. Furthermore, there may be constitutional issues if the Electoral College decided not vote with the populace. The lack of explicit constitutional or statutory language aside, the Court has made some broad statements about the fundamental right to representation. No precedent is completely on point, but it's anyone's guess what the Court would make of this situation (keep in mind that constitutional law is about more than the mere text of the constitution). Anyway, I think we agree on everything regarding the Electoral College thing.Nick-X: Lol. I advise all readers annoyed by "political hogwash" to avoid threads titled "a call to political action." But I apologize if anything I said sounds pretentious- I tend to get a little excited about these things The Muslim running for office topic: Sadly, I can’t imagine voters getting over his religion/ethnicity, but if he has a district heavily populated by Muslims, then I guess he’s got a shot. Anyway, I hope nobody does anything stupid to this man; there has been a lot of anti-Muslim violence since 9-11.
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Let's say he wins and gets assassinated, what would happen then? I have no clue.
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i agree with you full-heartedly.
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I'm bringing three more issues to the table to liven things up. First, what does everyone think about the state of affairs in Isreal? What are your feelings on America's involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (too much or too little)? And what do think about the recent killing of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin?If that doesn't excite you, then what do you think abou educational reform? I know a lot of people have strong opinions on "No Child Left Behind" and other potential reforms.
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American interests are very dependent on Israel for technology such as pentium, cell phones, etc. so it is important to keep things good with Israel, however an important step was taken with Bush condeming the retalliation of the Israelis. American involvement is fine where it is now.I think Yassir, well, it was gonna happen sooner or later, so now seems to be better.
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Dependant on Israel for technology??? What are you talking about?
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I was thinking the same thing...
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I'll get the info. My mom got an e-mail or something and it was just friggin' amazing!!!
I'll see If I can get it!!
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Re: Trade info about Israel Israel does have a strong technology sector, but it's a clear overstatement to say that the US is dependent on Israeli tech. Israel ranks somewhere around 20th overall as a trading partner with the US, and precious stones constitute the vast majority of Israeli exports to the US.They also import a significant quantity of US goods, including more tech-electronics than they export (although we're running a significant trade deficit with Israel). Perhaps most significantly, they import a large amount of military equipment/vehicles/weapons. Much of the foreign aid provided by the US (as I recall, a little bit less than 1/3rd of US foreign aid goes to Israel) is used to purchase military goods from US military contractors (Lockheed, NG, Raytheon, etc.) This is one reason why military contractors strongly lobby on Israel's behalf. If this post hasn't already put you to sleep, then you might also note that Israel has a large foreign debt- most of it owed to the US.
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The Japanese are the best in technology. Maybe not as far as militarily, but everything else, hell ya. IMO, Japanese society is somewhat how the whole world should be. Less focused on military and more focused on bettering technology in other fields.
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I am getting her to send it to me tommorrow.I believe it said that Israel is one of a few countries that house Pentium development labs from the US or something...I swear, I'll have it tommorrow!!!!
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George Tenet stated in the 9/11 hearings today that "Decapitating one person -- even bin Laden in this context -- I do not believe we would have stopped [the 9/11 attacks]." Rumsfeld mirrored these statements yesterday with a similar assertion. We might say that same of the assassination of Ahmed Yassin, or of even capturing Hussein- these are futile, symbolic victories based on foreign policy fiction. Yet somehow, while acknowledging the invalidity of this fiction, this administration and this country continue to rely upon it.
Here's the fiction that the US (and Israel) have adopted: Terrorism and totalitarianism (in the case of Iraq) are pathologies that can be cured by eliminating single individuals or regimes. The Bush administration and Sharon's administration repeatedly evoke the snake analogy: Terrorism is like a snake, if you cut of it's head it will perish. Do we really believe this? For instance, has capturing Saddam done anything to alleviate terror in Iraq? Is killing Yassin likely to weaken Hamas, or to strengthen Hamas by creating a martyr out of Yassin? Doesn't this analogy incredulously assume that most of the Arab populace is pro-Western/American?
Sadly, the US is reluctant to admit that there are deeper problems in the Middle East. Anti-Western sentiments permeate the fabric of many Middle Eastern societies. Worried brought up an interesting corollary to this point in the "Your lot" thread: animosity between the West and the Middle East cannot be traced to single historical episodes. I agree, and I add that the problem is also much deeper than single individuals or regimes (like Bin Laden). This is why I'm so doubtful of military solutions that change regimes and leaders, but do nothing to remedy underlying social realities and hatred (on the contrary, they often inflame such hatred). Who feels safer now that Saddam has been overthrown? Not Spain... and anyone in the US who feels safer is fooling themselves.
Again I find myself ranting and raving against this administrations foreign policy, but even I'm implicitly subscribing to the "snake analogy" by assuming that a change in administrations would actually alter how American society views the terrorism problem. In reality, I think the problem is deeper than Bush and the ever-hawkish Neo-cons. American society has become increasingly aggressive and retributive in its foreign policy. In this respect, our foreign policy is becoming more like our criminal justice system- based on retribution, while leaving deterrence and rehabilitation on the sidelines. Practical, problem solving goals come secondary in this scheme to non-consequentialist urges to "get the bad guys." But we should all be familiar with the results of such shallow policy- just as prisons often make non-violent offenders into violent offenders, unnecessary war will likely make moderate Muslims into extremists. The only difference is that the stakes are potentially higher with terrorism.
So there's my stance: Current American foreign policy (and Israeli domestic policy) is about as good at fighting terrorism as gasoline is at fighting fire. It's time to make a change and here's how we should start: Vote the war mongers out of office, take a more neutral approach to Israel (no more giving them hundreds of millions of dollars to buy weapons from American companies), and start taking multilateralism seriously (it adds legitimacy to whatever policy we ultimately follow). [I think this is my most partisan post yet, but I can't conceal my disdain for Bush's foreign policy]
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That's an impressively well-written argument, Steppenwolf.