it is just what they could be thinking about me if it was my friend...does that make any sence??i just dont feel comfortable with them behind me...because i dont know what they are thinking or looking at...its not that i think they r going to rape me in the ass...you know...did that help at all???
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Afraid of gays...Why?
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don't sweat it colonel, the boys aren't after you either
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I couldn't help but notice Colonel that you refered to a gay person as "it". Thats not very nice.
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Hmmmm. I wouldn't worry about anything Col. Don't think thse gay boys will be jumping on you to soon... :smirk:
Is it just stereotypical gay boys you fear? Because i'm gay but am very straight acting and I doubt anyone would guess in a thousand years... Do you mind if they act fairly straight (i'm talking no limp wrists etc, like most people would associate with being homosexual.) -
yes, same here, im gay lol, but most people cant see that, i dont 'act' gay or anything
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If you have both strait and gay guys looking at you, take it as a compliment baby! I do ^_^ The way I see it, if both sexes are looking at me, then I must have something worth looking at lol I've had both girls and guys hit on me and I'm okay with it, I'm actually flattered by it. Don't worry about it, just because someone has a diffrent sexual preferince(ms?) than you doesn't make them any less a person.
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i'm not so much afraid of gays. i just hate the way most of them get a shitty-ass attitude when i come around. like they will sit there and talk with my girl but when i walk in the room then they (my girls gay guy friends) get all quiet and act like i'm not good enough to talk to or something. i just would like to get in on the conversation and laugh with them regardless what the hell they're talking about. i mean it makes me feel shunned. and then i get that look from them like oh it's her "strait" boyfriend. does anyone know what i mean? i know that not every gay guy acts like that but i get that condescending look from a lot of them.
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I'm the opposite-gay and afraid of straight people. It's probably good that I am, since I live in the middle of Killthegaysville. It keeps me from telling people before knowing that I can trust them.
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Don't worry... They are just regular people like you. They just have a differn't sexual attraction. Just because they are gay doesn't mean they will have sex with you, just like that. They might want to develop an actual relationship where sex comes with love.
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Imbob, know how you mean. No human being should have to feel like that. It isn't fair.
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You're right, it's not right nor is it fair. Just because someone has a diffrent sexual preference doesn't make them any less a human being than me or anyone else. Some people may say "oh but being homosexual is wrong," well no one said you had to agree with it but you can treat these people with respect because they are people too.
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thepouncer said:
yes, same here, im gay lol, but most people cant see that, i dont 'act' gay or anything
**what he said
and i have to say something about that
i dont mind a "homophobe"
look up the words: Homo = Gay; Pbobia = Fear
Homopbobia is the fear of gay people
we all have fearsthe people that piss me off are the ones that say they are homophobic, but instead they dont fear, they hate hate hate gays
how worthless can one be to have to take the time and worry about hating how someone else likes to liveif anyone in here hates homosexuals like myself...
you don't know me!
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Has anyone noticed that if you replace the word "gay" with "black" or "Jew" or "Mexican", a lot of the postings sound like a speech at a KKK rally? Do you think there's a great quailitative difference between homophobia and racism?
I have gay friends and black friends. I am a white hetero guy. I'm not worried about someone's gayness rubbing off on me any more than I'm worried about someone's blackness rubbing off on me. (Of course I mean "rubbing" in a completely non-sexual way.)
Dudes, try to be less insecure. It would suck if you became managers at a company, but refused to hire some well-qualified guy because he looked too gay to you.
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Oh, please. You're not even on point. Of course color or race won't rub off on you. I'm white. I'll always be white. There's nothing I can do about it. But I could, if I wanted to, wake up tomorrow and decide I wanted to started having sex only with men. It pretty much pisses me off that a kid comes here posting a ligitimate concern, one that some share and others don't get, and you want to accuse everybody of hate speech. Mindless, liberal pablum if you ask me.
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What are you, the on-point police?How would you answer the question, "Black people make me uncomfortable. What should I do?" Or people in wheel chairs, or people with cerebral palsy.Are you really concerned that you might wake up gay tomorrow? Is a man gay if he's attracted to other men, but never acts on the urge? Would that person make a homophobe uncomfortable too? And what if one can't help one's sexual orientation. Are you saying that it's cool to be prejudiced against someone because he is a certain way, and he can't help himself?What the originator of the thread is saying, "I am made uncomfortable person because of some characteristic of his that is probably beyond his control. What should I do?"He also said, "I am fine with gay people being around me...but I always feel uncomfortable around them". That makes no sense.Instead of mollycoddling bigotry, I'd say, get over it...introspect to your hearts content to understand your fear, but get over it.Are you saying bigotry is a conservative virtue? How did this thing become political? So now do we bring Jesus into the argument? (He didn't seem to be sexually attracted to women, and he spent a lot of time hanging around with men. Perhaps he was gay. Notice how He never said anything nasty about gays...very suspicious.)
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What are you, the on-point police? Yes. Lord knows we need one. How would you answer the question, "Black people make me uncomfortable. What should I do?" Or people in wheel chairs, or people with cerebral palsy. I would say I wish that weren't the case. I wish I weren't uncomfortable around gay men, especially those who have given so much to me and blessed me. But that's where I am. That's where thy are. It is important to be honest about that. Besides, those questions are typically asked by folks who wouldn't mind NOT being uncomfortable Are you really concerned that you might wake up gay tomorrow? No. I'm not at all. Is a man gay if he's attracted to other men, but never acts on the urge? My opinion is no. Gay has to do with behavior and lifestyle. Would that person make a homophobe uncomfortable too? I don't know. Ask the homophobe. There are a lot of variables that would affect that answer. And what if one can't help one's sexual orientation. Are you saying that it's cool to be prejudiced against someone because he is a certain way, and he can't help himself? Please, if you go back and read my posts HONESTLY you will see I never said anything like that. I believe there a lot of people who cannot help their orientation. It is not only unacceptable to be prejudiced against them, it's downright wrong. Sorry, that's not the answer you wanted from me, the one that helps you make your argument, but that's what I believe. What the originator of the thread is saying, "I am made uncomfortable person because of some characteristic of his that is probably beyond his control. What should I do?" You need to be really careful here. Why do you feel the need to paraphrase his question, cause you and I both know that's not what he said. I judge that your paraphrase is what you WANTED him to ask because that feeds into your agenda better than the question he did ask. Why not allow him honest discomfort and an honest question. Why does everyone have to believe and feel the exact same way you do on this to be considered acceptable. Why be so intolerant? He also said, "I am fine with gay people being around me...but I always feel uncomfortable around them". That makes no sense. Sure it does. It makes perfect sense if you're actually open to hearing what he's saying. He's fine with them being around him in the sense that he doesn't believe that he has any moral ground to shun them. He wants to be tolerant, but he can't help feeling uncomfortable around them. What's so difficult about that? Instead of mollycoddling bigotry, You're doing it again. He says he feel uncomfortable around gay men, making absolutely no moral judgment about them. And you call him a bigot. I defend his right to feel what he feels and ask honest questions and you say I'm mollycoddling his bigotry. If you are going to insist on continuing to misrepresent viewpoints with which you disagree, and to paint everything in the colors you need for them to be in order to further your argument or agenda, you will never be in a position to learn a damned thing about anything. I'd say, get over it...introspect to your hearts content to understand your fear, but get over it. And I say to you, get over it...scream and yell all you want in order to enable you to ignore the diversity of rational thought in the world and the fact that reasonable people can disagree on things like this...but get over it. Are you saying bigotry is a conservative virtue? No. I'm saying that chanting mindless, ego-stroking mantras (like 'bigotry is a conservative virtue') seems to be a liberal specialty. How did this thing become political? What the hell?!? The kid asked an honest question about how he relates to people and you start throwing around words like bigotry and KKK and such...and you're asking me how it got political? Damn, boy, you are a piece of work! So now do we bring Jesus into the argument? I would prefer we didn't. (He didn't seem to be sexually attracted to women, Oh, you know him that well, do you? How do you know he wasn't? I think I could argue he was. and he spent a lot of time hanging around with men. Perhaps he was gay. Does it help you sleep better to say shit like that? Payton Manning spends a lot of time with men also. Does that make him gay? If you read the Bible, you see that there were a couple of women he spent a lot of tiem with also. Please...Maybe Gandhi was gay...or Martin Luther King...or John Kerry... Notice how He never said anything nasty about gays...very suspicious.) You're right. He didn't. In fact, he didn't say anything nasty about anyone. So...is this the part where you, after hijacking an honest, open discussion about fears and comfort, bring Jesus into the conversation and then accuse me of bringing religion into the debate and trying to shove it down folks' throats? Much like you turned it into a political debate and then had the gall to ask how it got political?Anything else I can help you with?
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D> Why do you feel the need to paraphrase his question...S> What? He didn't even ask a question. He posted a paragraph-long statement, soliciting opinions (he ended by saying, "I am just trying to get help...")What is it that you don't like about paraphrasing in general, even if you don't like my paraphrase? Do you really think that paraphrasing is a bad rhetorical device?D> It makes perfect sense if you're actually open to hearing what he's saying.S> Is there a way you can convey an opinion without also hurling an insult, since you claim that it's bad for us to insult each other?D> ...but he can't help feeling uncomfortable around them. What's so difficult about that?S> So is that the end of the story? I thought this forum was for expressing opinions and exchanging ideas. Apparently you think the original statement speaks for itself, and no further analysis is needed. Or at least not my analysis.D> And I say to you, get over it...scream and yell all you want in order to enable you to ignore the diversity of rational thought in the world and the fact that reasonable people can disagree on things like this...but get over it.S> The original poster expressed discomfort with his feelings. I think he should get over his discomfort (like you'd deal with a discomfort from heights, or whatever). Do you think he should just get over worrying about feeling uncomfortable, and just continue feeling uncomfortable around gays forever? You have your opinion, I have mine.I don't recall screaming or yelling...I don't think I used any exclamation points. You're being rather dramatic here.D> I'm saying that chanting mindless, ego-stroking mantras (like 'bigotry is a conservative virtue') seems to be a liberal specialty.S> And conservatives and moderates and all kinds of groups don't do that? I'll bet you a Diet Pepsi I can find thousands of examples of such things from the mouths and keyboards of conservatives...just by doing a Google search. Or turning on the TV or radio.D> Oh, you know him that well, do you? How do you know he wasn't? I think I could argue he was.S> I know Jesus at least as well as you know Alan Keyes. But that's from another thread (he doesn't like the gay lifestyle...not at all). Jesus' sexual orientation is an interesting topic, but not very relevant here. However, a lot of people feel uncomfortable around gays because of their religious training. I have no idea of the religious beliefs of the original poster.D> ...to say shit like that?S> Now, now control yourself. Naughty language will get you nowhere with me.D> In fact, he (Jesus) didn't say anything nasty about anyone. S> Didn't He say nasty things about the Pharisees, the money changers, and other folks He didn't like? And didn't He say (or imply) that whoever didn't accept Him as their savoir was doomed to eternal damnation? But that's another subject for another thread.And you didn't capitalize the "H" in "he". Have you no respect?D> ...an honest, open discussion about fears and comfort...S> Wow, you think this thread was moving along swimmingly until I showed up and ruined everything by expressing my opinion, which you disagree with. If you think the Jesus angle is irrelevant, why couldn't you just let it go, and respond to the parts you think might be irrelevant? Or do you think nothing I said, at all, was relevant?D> ...shove it down folks' throats?S> Such violent imagery. People should disregard the shoving, if they perceive it as such; then it will disappear from the thread.Even if you disagree, I think that how people feel about gays has a political and religious angle. If you disagree with my points, fine. Tell us why. But don't just tell me to take my marbles and go home, because, apparently, you don't like my opinions.D> Anything else I can help you with?S> Might I suggest a bit of anger management? People post all kinds of things on the threads of this forum. I'm just curious why my postings provoke such a strong reaction by you. Should I be flattered?This thread looks like it's pretty much done, or I'd have hesitated posting such a long, barely relevant message.
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First off, you must realise that no one reads long posts unless they, themselves are long winded In reply to: look up the words: Homo = Gay; Pbobia = FearHomophobia is the fear of gay people Second, 'homo' is actually short for homogenous, meaning all of the same or similar nature.Therefore "homosexual" indicates sex with someone the same as yourself and "homophobic" means fear of someone the same as yourself.Too many people speak the language but few understand it
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In reply to:First off, you must realise that no one reads long posts unless they, themselves are long windedNo quarrel there. But I'd hope that something interesting and well-written would engage folks who don't have an attention deficit. However, I'm not defending my post as interesting or well-written. It kind of looks like half of a feud between two posters.So, did you read it? This quote has nothing to do with any of my messages...In reply to: look up the words...In reply to:Second, 'homo' is actually short for homogenous, meaning all of the same or similar nature.Therefore "homosexual" indicates sex with someone the same as yourself and "homophobic" means fear of someone the same as yourself.Too many people speak the language but few understand itNow, if you'd have left out the last sentence, I'd have just let this one lie, but...o You misspelled "homogeneous."o According to dictionary.com, homophobic means: "Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men." Are you going to now argue that "anti-Semite" means fear or contempt for Arabs, rather than Jews?You can decompose the parts of words into their Latin and Greek roots, but wind up with the wrong meaning for the word, as least w.r.t. contemporary usage.Sanction is an intersting word. It means to allow as well as to forbid. What do you make of that?
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sorry people...i have been gone for a few days and havent gotten a chance to respond to anyone...it amazes me that when i go have surgery everyone starts responding to all of my threads while im gone...and no I dont have a problem with gay people if they dont really act that gay...i dont know...good point though...if both look at me...hehe...well...i guess i shouldnt be stereotypical..(sorry bout the spelling) I wish I didnt have a problem with them but I cant help it...Thanks for all of the responses...
