NO2 as a supplement???

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All right my brother just turned 18 last month and all of a sudden my dad has put my brother on this supplement called NO2 and it claims to be a performance enhancing hemodilator. And the bottle says it contains something called pHylex9. What the heck is it?I know NO2 from chemistry. Nitrous oxide (they're calling it nitric oxide).If I break down the word hemodilator I get this:hem/o - blood or relating to the blooddilat/o - to spread out or expandSo I'm assuming it expands your blood however, I want to know if this is safe for him to be taking because my dad is real big on supplements and I'm the exact opposite unless it's a multivitamin, calcium, or iron supplement. I'm not real big Creatine or Ripped Fuel, or any of those other things. Could this actually be hurting my little brother more than helping him?

This stuff is garbage and your father needs to get a clue and stop giving your brother useless and potentially dangerous junk. pHylex9 is some word the marketing folks made up.

The problem with the the supplements your father likes is that the active ingredients are often harmful, or the product may be contaminated with dangerous substances, and it's often completely useless for its intended pupose. The main purpose of these supplements is to enrich the people who sell them.

Anyone tempted you use stuff like that might as well wave a houseplant over their head. It would be as effective, and a lot safer.

Spike on the NO2/Arginine Scam, part 1
Spike on the NO2/Arginine Scam, part 2

Okay, here we go. I've been reading on this crap all day. I'm fairly annoyed by it too. Nitrogen and oxygen are two gases normally found in the body...but so is carbon dioxide. I don't see anyone bottling that up... Anyhow, the ingredients that it claims to have doesn't appear to be harmful but it just seems to be a waste of money. It's an 8 week thing and my bro and dad insist he'll be fine but just in case I kinda, sort of demanded that I be able to do an assessment at the end of every week just to be safe since they're both a couple of stubborn mules. If anyone has any idea though on what they could mean by pHylex9 though, I'd really like to know. They could have very well made it up but just to be on the safe side if anyone has an info at all I'd really like to know.

pHylex9 is a bullshit name some con men made up for arginine alpha-ketoglutarate.
They're not talking about expanding the blood, but the blood vessels (nitrous oxide affects dilation of the arteries). The stuff in question is a scam.
I hope the pills your brother is popping aren't contaminated with something toxic. Too bad you father has your brother confused with a garbage can. Can you show him the articles? I'm sure there are others.

Let me try to get the chemistry of nitrogen oxides sorted out:

N2 - molecular nitrogen, colourless gas, four fifths of the air. Unreactive.

O2 - molecular oxygen, colourless gas, one fifth of the air. Necessary for animal life.

N2O - nitrous oxide, colourless gas, "laughing gas". An anaesthetic.

NO - nitric oxide, colourless gas. Formed in tissues when blood vessels need to be made wider (vasodilation) to increase blood flow (including the erection process); it acts as a specialised neurotransmitter. In air, reacts with oxygen to form nitrogen dioxide.

NO2 - nitrogen dioxide, brown gas. Very irritant - reacts with water in tissues to produce nitric acid (+ oxygen).

There are other, less common, oxides of nitrogen: N2O3, N2O4, N2O5, NO3 and N2O6.

You got me...I meant nitric oxide. The more in your blood, the lower your blood pressure.In fact, when you have a bad infection, your immune sytem puts out a lot of NO in order to do in the pathogen. It also causes the blood vessels to dilate, which drops blood pressure, which can put you in shock, if it goes far enough. That's what septic shock is.

thank you ineligable, i agree with everything you said except for one littls fact. you labled the polyatomic ion NO3- as a non common ion, its fairly common. but we arent going to nit pick at the details. but as for putting this NO2 junk into your blood stream, if it really is nitrogen dioxide, your screwing yourself over. i feel sorry for the fool who buys it

All right..no dad bashing guys I love my dad. I know he loves us and I know he loves my little bro. I don't think he's trying to hurt my brother on purpose. I think he does it because he's been doing for so long with things like Cell Tech and Creatine and nothing bad has happened. But like I said, I don't like supplements like that. And thank you ineligible for the fast lesson in chemistry. I guess I'm a little rusty. And steve thanks for the info on pHylex9 (as far as what the real name is). I knew what they meant by hemodilator I looked up right after I left here and had made my post. I was just breaking it down to the prefix, root word, and suffix....blah blah...(it's easier for me to read it then and it's also easier for me when I come across a word I've never seen. Break it down and decide what their prefix, root word, and suffix mean and you can determine what the entire word means....I'll send you some of the words sometime...it's quite interesting.) Thank you guys! I'll be sure to tell my bro and my dad...

i have stated these facts in a couple other forums. but, here is the most recent information on dietary composition for an average male, 150 lbs, 5'8" ect.

for protien, all that is used is between 50 and 60 g. all other protien is excess and will only cause expensive urine.
other side affects (proven) when you have too high of a protien diet is osteoporosis, kidney complications, cancer in the lympnode system, liver, breatst, colon, prostate and kedney, Heart disease, and an accelerated aging procces.

for carbohydrates, it is recomended anywhere between 300 and 400 g carbs a day.

fiber, 30 - 50 g

fat, 30 - 50 g.

sugar: 30 - 50 g.

a problem with these suplements is that they try to remove you of water and carbs, and fill you with nothing but protien. a diet like that is not good for you, and will over time hurt you.

this information is by both Loma Linda University - Medical school (Dept. of nutrition and health) and by Andrews University (dept of nutrition and health) according to the 2002-2003 health study. if you would like any more information, or if you have questions about this information, feel free to PM me.

You can make a good case against a very high-proteien diet for the average person, but the connection between high protein and cancer has not actually been "proven".

It should give one pause before starting an Atkins-style diet, though.

because this is not a law of gravity, or something a simple as that, the term that your using as proven cannot be applied. i cannot say that there is a law about low and high diet foods, but there is a coorilation. any corrilation about a .8 (80%) is pretty much a fact. if you do a little research on the health study that these schools put out (studying over 5000 people), you will see that the coorilation is very high, and thus the doctors there came up with their conclusions.no, it is not a specific law, but it is pretty good factual evidence for an argument.

Thanks Trax, but I wasn't talking about ions, but uncharged molecules. NO3 is a rare and unstable neutral molecule. If we talk about anions, however:N2O22- - hyponitrite, rare, the conjugate base of the very unstable hyponitrous acid, H2N2O2.NO2- - nitrite, fairly common, the conjugate base of the fairly unstable nitrous acid, HNO2.NO3- - nitrate, very common, the conjugate base of nitric acid, HNO3.

Onions.. What do onions have to do with this???Oops.. anions... yeah..

Onions and THC

Ugh...I hate onions. Well, I hate RAW onions. ACK!! I just can't do it. They make me gag (not to mention cry). I make all sorts of food and a lot of is homemade and requires onions somebody please tell me that counts and all that good stuff doesn't get cooked out because I really don't want to have be sick to be well. Ewwwww!

well, im very happy to see a guy who actually puts some muscle behind what he says. your chemistry so far is flawless (including your spelling of anions). i think more poeple out there should know chemistry better, its a great science. are you a chemical engineer or something, you seem to know this stuff pretty well.

And how did you do those subscripts?_____________________________cenfath:Onion Power!: A guy who eats raw onion sandwiches says, "While I'm a great advocate of eating raw onions even if you eat them cooked they are good for you. The University of California at Berkeley's "The Wellness Encyclopedia of Food and Nutrition" tells us "a number of studies indicate that they may produce certain health benefits, including lowering blood pressure and cholesterol levels. Onions also contain a substance that interferes with the formation of blood clots."Have you tried raw sweet onions (Vidalia, Texas, Bermuda, etc.)? Too much raw onion might cause gas, but there's not much of a downside....garlic and onion seem to be very healthy foods, and some studies have shown that they have anti-viral properties (so they may help keep colds at bay).

Trax: Is that you on your avatar? Yes, my training is in chemistry.SteveA: You can choose to post using UBB code or HTML (or both or neither). I used HTML, using the tag for subscripts and for superscripts.

Ahhh...OK, thanks.

ineligable, no its not me, its my brother.