Okay people here are PHOTOS of me, 'Ugly Minger'

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OMG!! I was totally expecting someone atrocious. You just like the everyday normal dude. I want to say you look like someone (but I cant think at the moment). Just like everyone else said, what u need is an attitude change and a makeover. Get some new glasses and clothes and I really think it would make a big difference!

Actually, he looks just like someone I used to work with. That guy is happily married.

Edited>In reply to:bla..bla..bla... 18 year-old hot teen blonde girl u don't want a partner or wutever u want a trophy.so wut if a hot 18 year old does say ur not ugly wut u going to do PM her and tell her she's a lier or ask her her tit size? start hitting on her? asking her stupid shit. i don;t know ur age and to me in ur pics u look like u'd be in your 20s. (pluse u said u go clubbing and u got to be 21 to club where i live sooo...) so why u worring over 18 yos and teens... y arn;t u asking the 20 something year olds out. but if ur like 18 then ok wutever. i'm done...bye bye

I agree with CR here. It does seem more that you want a trophy than you do an actual lifelong partner. If you just wanna screw someone go find a prostitute or something. But a lifelong companinion isn't something you just go to the store (or a bar or club or whatever) and buy. It comes from seeing that person and having a mutual trust, and love for that other person and finding comfort in just being around them. You won't get that from a trophy. Maybe I'm wrong...but I come from a pretty well off family and some my grandparents friends are well off. Those friend's children have trophy spouses and they are miserable.You know I dated those "hot" guys. I like the guy I'm with now. I don't get to see him a lot and I don't get to talk to him as much as I'd like because we're both in school and we have jobs (he has two of them) and we're both super busy people. He may not look like Brad Pitt but you know I don't really think of Brad Pitt as a potential partner. One, I don't know him. Two, I can't handle the celebrity thing and believe I'm pretty well in the public's eye now (and it sucks butt big time). I don't need a partner who's name is up in lights or is in every tabloid magazine on newsstand. I need someone who's gonna hold me when I'm sad, or upset, or just need a hug. Someone who's going to take care of me. If that's not something that you're looking for...well I think you're missing out. But looking for an "18 year old, hot, blond girl" is probably not your best bet. Does it happen? Sure. I dunno...I'm rambling now and am going to stop but it DOES seem as though you just want some "hot" chick on your arm so you can show her off and that's all you want her for and that ain't cool bud.

Just stating the obvious.

Amanda. Oh dear miss big mod. so does that mean even if have a great personality i won't get it with you huh?

no1sexpotinusa, bet that comment you made about me made you feel so much better about yourself...you can shove you finger up your ass some more now.

and also no1sexpotinusa and Amanda, obviously you two are SOOOO much better than me with your pretty boys and all that. i dont know why you bothered to look at pics in the first place. did i make you vomit? sorry.

true, but i just think it says it all about you two

Well that's what you came here to hear right...that you're ugly? You seem to want people to say that to you, to feed your need, so we are.

LOL That's all I needed to say.UglyMinger - I looked at the pictures. You're not ugly. Granted you're not Brad Pitt. But not every woman in the world is looking for a replica of Brad Pitt. We all want and look for something different in our spouses or mates. Looks don't always play a part because what I find beautiful about someone may turn someone else off.When I was in high school, I dated the "hot" guys as you keep claiming they are. But there attitudes are a total TURN OFF. Much like yours is but for a different reason. My ex-bf's are now my ex's because they were dicks, plain and simple. They were arrogant, pompus, they put me down and treated me like dirt. Your attittude is a turn off because you just keep saying the same thing over and over again. But as someone said before, who the heck cares if some "18 year old hottie" with a boob job thinks you're not the best looking thing to hit the shelf. Chances are she's got her own self-esteem issues if she's getting a boob job (she may not have I'm just making an example). Maybe some HOT blonde is not the way to go.I myself think I'm rather plain but the guy I'm seeing thinks I'm beautiful. And by plain I don't mean I think I'm ugly. I just never thought I was the kind of girl that would stand out in a crowd like my friends did. I didn't think of myself as the kind of girl that could catch a guy's attention, but when I did start catching their attention, I caught the wrong kind and with the way I felt about myself I left myself open to being hurt but I also left myself open for the good (I just don't recognize it readily). I still don't consider myself any type of Scarlet Johannsen or Charlize Theron but I am beautiful in my own particular way. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say however, you can find what others are finding but open yourself up to the fact that what you're thinking you may want may not be what you need.

In reply to:When I was in high school, I dated the "hot" guys as you keep claiming they are. But there attitudes are a total TURN OFF. Much like yours is but for a different reason. My ex-bf's are now my ex's because they were dicks, plain and simple. They were arrogant, pompus, they put me down and treated me like dirt. Your attittude is a turn off because you just keep saying the same thing over and over again. But as someone said before, who the heck cares if some "18 year old hottie" with a boob job thinks you're not the best looking thing to hit the shelf. Chances are she's got her own self-esteem issues if she's getting a boob job (she may not have I'm just making an example). Maybe some HOT blonde is not the way to go.Well this is just rich isn't it cenfath. You claim that you dated the "hot" guys at school, and you say their attitudes were a total turn-off. You say your ex-bf's are now my ex's because they were dicks, arrogant, pompus, put you down and treated me like dirt. You see you say all that...but yet you still REFUSED to date the 'average'/'ugly' guys. How very rich.You say who cares if some "18 year old hottie with a boob job thinks you're not the best looking thing to hit the shelf.". Well I bet YOU WOULD CARE IF THE HOT GUYS DIDN'T THINK YOU'RE NOT THE BEST LOOKING THING TO HIT THE SHELF, meaning you wouldn't have been able to date the hot guys you say you have. I wonder what your attitude would've been like if you weren't ever able to date any hot guys and remain a virgin at 25 years old. Christ some people just don't realise what they've got until they get facially screwed in an accident or something.....In reply to:I myself think I'm rather plain but the guy I'm seeing thinks I'm beautiful. And by plain I don't mean I think I'm ugly. I just never thought I was the kind of girl that would stand out in a crowd like my friends did. I didn't think of myself as the kind of girl that could catch a guy's attention, but when I did start catching their attention, I caught the wrong kind and with the way I felt about myself I left myself open to being hurt but I also left myself open for the good (I just don't recognize it readily).Oh boo-hoo. You THINK you're not stunning...but you still managed to date the hot guys which I think means something. Besides, you never know yourself how attractive/or un-attractive you are. Hot guys and girls are the best judges of that. It's usually the hot guys the hurts girls. I think that just about sums you up.

How ironic of that to some from someone called 'no1sexpotinusa'.

Give it a rest. Nobody wants to hear you complain anymore.

#1.. Why don't you just shut up. I've seen your pictures too. I wouldn't call you a knockout either.

It amazes me that there are some people on this forum who moan constantly about people going off thread, saying stupid things etc, and yet, the same people put someone down in 2 words and think thats cool! WTF!YES, hes being a tad annoying cos he aint listening BUT hes no more annoying than some on here. In reply to: We can all sit here and pretend that a person's looks aren't important in choosing a mate/spouse, but deep down, it is a major factor. So your really saying that looks plays a part in whether you love someone or not???? Deep down inside if you found the right person you could spend the rest of your life with, but he was ugly are you seriously say you would get rid of him? If so then hes right you are shallow.

Post something like that again and your banned ~Diver~

Damnit
Looks do NOT matter
Also first impressions are overrated. They can be good for a great start, but they are so overrated. I mean, Im not as experienced in relationships as AngelWitch here (this is meant as a compliment, since the short time Ive been here, your posts are amazing), but I do know some things.
People so so overrate the looks. Yes, I DO agree that looks play a role when Im in a new community or so, and I do use looks to pick the first person Id approach, but this in NO way is related to long term relationships and definetly not Love.
As far as looks are concerned, the relationship itself is not affected so by it. For me it doesnt matter whom Im talking to, an attractive sexy lady or your average girl from manchester someplace.
In no way do I, as a man, look like a moviestar or an athlete. Im slightly overweight, and average mostly.
But it is NO problem for me to get girls interested.
For me, there is no thing as a "trade secret" or some "trick" to make it happen. If you want the girl to become interested in you, its not about your looks.
Its about YOU getting to know AS SOON AS POSSIBLE what SHE WANTS. Understand? It has got nothing to do with looks.
Yes, youll argue Im sure. Since there are girls out there who look for sex, and in there Im sure that looks play much larger role. There are all sorts of people around like that, and if you bump into one like that then you need to change her attitude as quickly as possible by doing something that will get her mind off "what she is currently looking for" and give her an option or a chance for something better, call it love if you will.
And no it isnt too hard to "read a girls mind" and know what she is looking for. But you need to be confident to do that.
If you think that you look like shit, then this doesnt help. And you do NOT look like shit man. Come on, build some confidence.
NO WAY are you ever going to learn what a girl wants if you are not confident to go through the process.
In love, looks dont matter.
Its about you feeling good with the person youre with, and vice versa. If you can give that to a girl, then looks do not matter. Im not taking anyone seriously who comes to me and starts saying crap like that.
But yeah, for the poster of this thread, Ill repeat. Build some confidence. If it helps, a girl from my university whos here right now says that you look good.
However, she does say that its a bitch thing to do to post a thread in the forum and say that you look ugly. THis is something you should deal with, just build confidence.
WHen you approach a girl DO NOT think that she may not like the looks of you. Remember, in fact, you DO HAVE an advantage. If youd look like a smoothe playboy, it would be straight-sex level with her in most instances. I know people like that, its shit. You look like a normal man, and thus have an advantage and can approach her in ways those other lads cannot.
But it is ALL about confidence. Do some random things, say hello to random people often, smile often. You are JUST like everyone else.
One last thing, remember that every, EVERY relationship does NOT start at point 0 and go up to 100\. Relationships start at 50-50\. Depending on what YOU do, this will either go up or down. Its about personality, your soul, your thoughts and sayings that change that. Not looks.
Theres no "looks" in love.
Oh, btw, you said "but the best kind of person to judge someone's looks is an 18 year-old hot teen blonde girl. "
After reading that, man, youve got values of life rated ALL wrong boy.. Fact, one, 18 year old hot babe knows usually NOTHING about love. Honestly, I can get someone like that to my place without a problem. YOu just have to show her things shes not seen before, for that stereotype is a person whos constantly under sex bombfire, and I doubt she has really seen the other side of relationships, the heart and soul.
For my luck, and perhaps for yours if you get your priorities and confidence and ATTITUDE straight, there arent many men around who can handle a female this way. TO make her feel something else than a sexobject, make her feel as the one and only, make her feel special.
ANd DONT say you try to do that. It would show from your attitude, you ARENT doing that.
Perhaps You shoudl give it a try. Get your arse straight and then go out the door. No one out there is any better than you.
NO ONE

It's true that looks can't be entirely discounted, and poeple who imply that are fooling themselves. But you look pretty average and Minger looks pretty average. Does it help you in some way to call another average-looking person ugly?

Minger, the girls you are interested in are young, vapid, and shallow, like you are. It's a human flaw that you can't get toghether with someone else like yourself. But as women age, they tend to get wiser (in that looks play a smaller part), so you might want to aim for someone a bit older. The problem is that coming across badly won't help you with any woman.

There's a lot of talk here about "relationships", but you appear to just want to get laid, so it should be even easier. If you meet a like-minded woman, she won't be as particular as a woman who's looking for a boyfriend.

In reply to:Give it a rest. Nobody wants to hear you complain anymore.You said on 04/07/05 05:42 PM (ET):In reply to:[The obnxious person in question] is free to post wherever he wants. As long as he's not flaming, etc., he's welcome to post. If you don't like what he has to say then just ignore it.Amanda, you can't have it both ways.