lots of absurd things can't be disprovedI was using British-style understatement. "Proving the negative" is of course an informal fallacy (and in the penis size thread, "proving" theat everyone doesn't have a 7"+ penis is a phallusy, unless you can do a proof by perfect induction.In any case, OneDamagedNuke is not a committed Christian. He's a committed troller, trawling and trolling and trashing. Whether he's a pillock is a matter of conjecture (maybe he's a snog also).By the way, your orthography is divine. You transcend muons and bosons and hardons.
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Top 10 signs you're a fundamental christian
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Steve I have no idea what you just said. lol
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What an interesting topic. I don't believe in God. I don't believe in jesus. I don't believe in the bible. I don't believe in christianity as a whole. I believe in something greater, but it's certainly not the God Christians believe in. I think what Last was getting at (or at least the writer of that text) is the strong stereotype that was formed by hardcore christians that are too ignorant, and close minded to accept the floors in their religion. Normally because they've been bought up in this enviroment for many years, and to question anything in regards to christianity is unheard of. As the bible would have it, God doesn't like anyone to question him. FACT. All must follow his ways, without question. To do so, would mean to be like Lucifer. Lucifer was an angel, his name meaning "Light bringer" - amusingly enough. He questioned why he should follow God - and why the hell not? If I was going to devote my life to christianity, I'd want a bloody good reason. God was so infuriated by this that he threw Lucifer out of heaven and percieved him as a red bloke with horns. Hmmm... Can anyone say discouraging individuality? Surely if God was the fatherly type, he'd tell Lucifer why he should obey him - unless he didn't have a good reason of course. Individuality. That's what modern day Satanism is. The practice of being Athiest, and individual. A lot of people could be considered as Satanists these days, myself included. It doesn't have anything to do with worshipping the Devil either. The many stories within the bible are a bunch of compiled "fairy tales" in my opinion. Not very good ones either. Monks wrote them to bring out the best in people. And of course it worked, but also brought ignorance, close-mindedness, and mental constriction. People shaped their lives around Christianity without question. It's blatantly obvious that this is a form of propaganda to make us behave. "If your good, you can go to a pretty cloudy area, with lot's of nice people, and be happy and nice and good and happy" - likewise, if your bad you'll go to the opposite. People are lead to believe it, like children lead to believe in Santa. There may be some truth in the bible... But that might lead some to believe that events occuring in the tale of Noah's ark, have again been repeated with the recent Tsunami.It's also facinating how theres no mention of dinosaurs within the bible, and christians still havent come up with an answer. And that's not the only thing, the list goes on. Science is something that generally isn't wrong. It's a means of proof. Why arn't these "Mega Miracles" happening today to the same extent? I find it very hard to believe in biblical events, especially with all the evidence stacked against them.What many people don't know, is that the bible is somewhat based on Sumerian texts. Sumerian's being around long before Christians. They were one of the first civalizations (I think). They predicted many years ago, that the whole Palestine and Israeli thing was going to get sorted out by the year 2005 - Thus starting 7 years of tribulation. Just look at the news... Something big should be happening in the year 2012. The Nephilim are supposedly coming to better our race, which I certainly welcome. The Antichrist is supposed to make an appearance too - which intrigues me - I'm sure he's a top bloke. Wow, going off topic now, but look up on it - it's very interesting.Oh yeah, conclusion - I am a firm beliver that God doesn't exsist, but I respect those who wish to believe otherwise. As they'd say in America - Have a nice day! Note: Jay apologises for the over use of hyphen's within his post - Thanks.
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I've never come across the references to 2005 before but I'll look into this because it fascinates me, even though I don't believe in any of it. The 2012 date was used in lots of famous predictions including the Sumerians, the Mayans and Nostradamus...interesting that they all chose this year.Personally, I don't think anything big's gonna happen in 2012 that will be linked to any of these predictions but I definitely plan on being around to find out
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Can anyone say discouraging individuality?Can anyone say "violent bully", motivated by a diety-sized insecurity complex?> Science is something that generally isn't wrong. It's a means of proof. That's not really accurate. Science is a (largerly mathemetical) model of the world that over time converges on "truth", as we perceive it. It basically a bunch of theories that become more accurate over time. Even Newton's laws were tweaked to encompass relativistic effect, and then tweaked again to encompass quantum effects. Those "laws" are still a work in progress, and might always be.So, to reiterate, science converges on truth over time, whereas fundamentalist religious belief is fronzen in time, and reality has to be made to conform to its "divinely-inspired" precepts. Although the stability in understanding the universe may be comforting, it's just not rational.
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wow...I have never before, I think, read so much gobbledy gook that passes for intelligence. There is so much generalization made from ignorance or read from books that speak from ignorance I don't know where to begin. We all have beleifs that we cherish, and they are not allways rational or reality based. We are ALL good drivers...we are ALL intelligent...we ALL have the right take on any given situation...and so on. Irrationally applied ideas that are highly subjective and prone to massive error, yet to these we cling. Do these ideas effect and impact our reality? Do we seek to make our reality conform to these ideas? YES to both. Nothing diferent than that which is held sacred by practicioners of ALL religions.It is not htat the religion is flawed, although they are all, but the harm is when those that are too mentally challenged, incabable of balancing their beliefs against the needs of neighbors, cannot leave zealotry behind, express their religious faith. Faith in a religion or fairy tale, as some may call them is not a bad thing, and actually serves much good. Talk has been made of those who roll around on the floor and speak in tounges. Not ALL Christians do this. It is the same as saying ALL Budhist monks immolate to protest something (refernce to the preist who did this to protest the Vietnam War). MANY CHristians are very level headed, intleligent, and gifted, and are fully able to keep their beliefs to themselves. It is then not the religion that is being attacked, but should be and really is extremeists of every type, those that are irrational to the point of anothers detriment. lets say it like it is, adn leave the damn religions the fuck alone! SHEESH!!!
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.I have never before, I think, read so much gobbledy gook that passes for intelligence.Well tarnation, we all here in the Deep South don't have Harvard and all that liberal egghead stuff you guys have up north, so it ain't fair. Are you a Yooper? We just have pregnant teens and bad teeth. And pregnant teens with bad teeth.> There is so much generalization made from ignorance or read from books that speak from ignorance I don't know where to begin.Well I don't know where you'll start, but I know you won't stop for any paragraph breaks.> We are ALL good drivers...we are ALL intelligent...we ALL have the right take on any given situation...and so on. Irrationally applied ideas that are highly subjective and prone to massive error, yet to these we cling.I'm sure you're trying to express some sort of "idea" or something, but your talent for obfuscating that which is simple is legendary. One day you should ask yourself, "If I were composing this for a newspaper, how would I write it"? But yeah, we sure do cling to the irrational. You seem to think it's fine, and I don't see the point to it. Is it because it makes people feel good, and that in and of itself has value, even though it diminished the idea of "truth"?> is extremeists of every type, those that are irrational to the point of anothers detrimentWe may be dumb down here, but we know the difference between "radical" and "fundamentalist", and our president is the latter.Poor me. I have no idea what specifically you disagree with in the post to which you answered. Is it that you don't like the way Schrödinger beat up on Newton? All I know is, if you're going to fly a plane, learning physics is a better bet than learning the bible. If you're looking to be comforted, then whatever floats your boat.> adn leave the damn religions the fuck alone!Now, why do I have to do that?
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if you're going to fly a plane, learning physics is a better bet than learning the bible
if you're going to intentionally crash that plane, apperently you'll need both
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Hhahahahah!!!!!
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The Pope calls homosexuality an "intrinsic moral evil". You don't want to know what the Southern Baptist leadership thinks. Shall we respect their opinions, and celebrate them as contributing to the marverlous diversity of opinion on the subject?
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Hahhaha thats great
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You respect the opinon that homosexuality is an intrinsic moral evil? Well then, go ahead and respect. I suppose you may disagree with 9/11 terrorists and Osama bin Laden, but I'm happy to know that you must respect their views, which add to the diversity of opinion that so enriches our lives. Same goes for Hitler, no doubt. Everyone's opinion is deserving of respect, right?
According to the AHD, the definition of respect is: "To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem." You esteem the views on homosexuality of someone who thinks that homosexuality is an intrinsic evil. I'm glad we clarified that.
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In reply to:Yes, I can respect that opinion. I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs. I respect the fact they are free to express them, even though I totally disagree with it.So even though you disagree with it, you respect the opinion of a Klansman who says that blacks "are nggr mud people who should be hung if they won't go back where they came from"? I gave you the definition of "respect". Is there some part of it that you're having trouble understanding?In reply to:I'm not going to argue with you about the 9/11 terrorists and Hitler because I'm not in the business of hijacking threads.Well, it wouldn't be the first time you did it. But seriously, you're worried about hijacking this thread? Let's ask Last what he thinks about having his thread "hijacked" like this.In reply to:Steve, I'm confused. You would think a libertarian like you would support the first amendment.I don't think you understand what the First Amendment is. It was created to keep the government from limiting political speech, and was extended (through interpretation by the Supreme Court) to prevent the government from meddling in other forms of expression. I'm not the govermnent, and I'm not in any way stopping the Pope from expressing himself.In reply to:Guess I was wrong.Hey, you haven't earned your sarcasm license yet. A sense of humor is a prerequisite, so you may never get it.If you had a clue, you would realize that you are trying to say that you respect the free exchange of opinions, even disagreeable ones. But you don't really mean to say that you esteem the racial views of Nazis, I hope. I'm not sure that you'll be able to understand that, so feel free to post any questions you might have.
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Well, I hope you're feeling better, now that you've gotten that off you chest.Sometimes people are just wrong. If someone insists that 2 + 4 = 22, or that they are Napoleon, they are wrong. If you think that I'm violating anyone's First Amendment rights, you are wrong.I expressed my idea of what the First Amendment is, and in response I got a long, rambling screed containing "fuck", "fuck", "fucking retarded" in the first paragraph, and "fucking", "intolerant", and "arrogant" in the second paragraph. Don't give me credit for the last paragraph, because I didn't say it.Keep in mind that neither you nor I own the "press" that is this Web site. It is owned by a person who has selected administrators and moderators to act as his agents. They are empowered by him to control and steer the message board, and they can kick off whomever they choose. If you have an issue with a specific member, you should take it up with the moderators. You seemed to like sdp's response to one of my recent posts (or sequence of posts), so perhaps you should take it up with him. Or start your own message board...maybe people will flock to it.If you have a differing view of the First Amendment, feel free to elaborate. But you can start by telling us with which parts of what I wrote about the First Amendment you disagree. I'll repeat it for your convenience:In reply to:[The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution] was created to keep the government from limiting political speech, and was extended (through interpretation by the Supreme Court) to prevent the government from meddling in other forms of expression. I'm not the government, and I'm not in any way stopping the Pope from expressing himself.To reiterate, what is your specific disagreement?
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From the Onion: Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New "Intelligent Falling" Theory
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im not a fundamentalist, but i am a Christian with a very open mind to other ideas, beliefs and concepts. im not sure as to the purpose of your post, but it seems to be motivated out of hate, and that's not cool here. expression is one thing, but come on dude. knocking Christians is just as bad as knocking any other group.
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I'm sure Last is willing to knock and any all groups equally. You have to admit, though, regardless of the nature of their faith, fundamentalist are pretty funny when they're not blowing things up.
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yeah, im sure if we were back in the South during the 60s he would be knocking another specific group, this time one with dark skin pigment. perhaps if we were in 1940s Berlin he would give us all a run for our money! better check his closet for outfits made of white sheets or tailored uniforms with twisted crosses! never mind the skeletons in his closet.
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steve, in another, earlier post, you use a mthematical anology to illistrate the wrongness of a thing or person. Math is pretty much an absolute, and should not be in dispute. OPINION however, cannot be wrong. OPINION comes from ones experience, perspective, and the brain functioning. To say an opinion is wrong is to invalidate or negate the person. Has nothing to do with them being wrong. You are in no position to suggest a persons opinion is wrong. You err everytime you state empatically that a persons religions beliefs are incorrect. NO one can say that, as it is the belief of a person, a total and distinct human entity. Facts cannot be argued, as they are facts. The outcome of an event can be argued in the absence of fact, as can the motivations of the event, again, in the absence of fact. OPINIONS can be argued, but there is no right, no wrong opinion. Some opinions may be founded on shaky ground, some may be founded upon dementia or delusion (like your opinion that your opinion is fact and that all who don't hold yours are wrong. So, you are then delusional)You are not freaking God, or Buddha, or any other superior all knowing entity. Your shit stinks just as bad as everyone elses. Get a grip. Put down the mirror, and turn off the wind up worship Steve toys.Your turn. I plan to not revisit this thread. Knock yorself out. Defend what should have never taken place.Incedentaly, regarding what the pope says...who is to decide what is included or excluded as far as what passes for an "acceptable" opinion? Who has the wisdom to say what is good, and what is not? In the market place of ideas, all are valid, and thus can we pick and choose that which appeals to us, or applies to us, or we at least think they appeal or apply. SHutting donw opinoin? Excuding certain thoughts as being unappealing to someoene else? Sounds like Communism, or Socialism, or gasp...censorship. There is no one alive wise enough to make such decisions. Let us not flatter ourslevs that we can.
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You are not freaking God, or Buddha, or any other superior all knowing entity.How do you know? Are you some kind of visionary? You might very well be wrong.> Your shit stinks just as bad as everyone elses.And how would you know? You sure think you know a lot of stuff that you can't possibly know.Are the winds of political correctness blowing when all non-mathematical opinions are equally meritorious?If I ask a Christian, "Do you respect my point of view?", he might answer yes, but he'd think I was as wrong as if I claimed that 1 + 2 = 7. So he thinks I'm wrong, and I'm on my way to eternal damnation, while he's on his way to heaven and all that it has to offer. What has the word "respect" come to mean?> In the market place of ideas, all are valid, and thus can we pick and choose that which appeals to us, or applies to us, or we at least think they appeal or apply.It looks like you've missed the point entirely. The point is that all non-falsifiable, arbitrary beliefs are equally invalid.In reply to:SHutting donw opinoin? Excuding certain thoughts as being unappealing to someoene else? Sounds like Communism, or Socialism, or gasp...censorship.I'm not sure where this persecution complex is coming from. I'm censoring no one. Feel free to say and believe whatever you please. Unless you're trying to shut down my freedom of expression...
