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    Originally Posted By: thor

    An example of an idea taken from the Bible and then incorporated into our government is found in Isaiah 33:22 which says, "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king..." The founding fathers took this scripture and made three major branches in our government: judicial, legislative, and executive.

    The founding fathers made two major branches in our government. The Judicial branch didn't get on equal footing with the other two till later.

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    The simplest forms of life are more complex than anything that we have created, so it is definitely not a simple task. It is completely the case here.Neither me nor any of my friends nor anyone I know has ever been led on to believe that we could create life easily as our time as students. I have no idea where you're getting this from.

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    First off, you said that atheists say that nothing had a part in the creation of life. This is a falsehood. If I am to go by the definition that I believe bob gave, then I am an agnostic atheist, and by no means do I believe that nothing had a part in the creation of life. It could be some sort of God, or just some really advanced race. Who knows? I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was any of these three.Second, expecting it to be simple to create life in a lab if the same thing happened before on earth is simply ignorant. Compare the size of the lab and the size of the earth. The earth is huge, so certain unlikely events are trillions or more times likely to happen in that situation than in a lab, especially since these processes were going on for much longer than they can go on for in a lab.However, I do not see the relevance of asking thor where heaven is. I can see asking him to show who/what/where/whatever God is as a comparison between his request (though I think his request would be easier to accomplish, though it's still an amazingly hard thing to do), but not the point of asking him where heaven is.Also, thor is right when he says it's debatable whether or not a virus is alive. One of the commonly accepted criteria for life is that it must be able to reproduce on its own, which is not something that a virus can do. But still, being able to essentially create a virus is a huge step in the right direction.As far as atheism being a religion, it really depends on your definition of religion. With the way of defining it that I think you have in mind, I'd have to say that gnostic atheism is religious while agnostic atheism is not (or not very much so). To go so far as to call what was taught in school a lie (well, what is taught now) is going too far in my opinion. Yes, it is definitely an oversimplification, but that is because at younger ages, the finer points can't be grasped very easily; you don't see third graders being taught about axioms. Later on in education, these finer points are shown more carefully, though, unfortunately (mainly for science at least), it seems that they can't always be shown until college level courses are reached. Still, I think that a lot of these fine points can be taught with more frequency than they currently are.As far as intelligent design goes, if it is true, I would personally think that it is far more subtle than it is portrayed as. So subtle that it would be possible to do in the lab one day (when we can do very large scale experiments). Because of this, I think it is far more beneficial to teach the most plausible explanation(s) that have scientific backing (and yes, natural does have scientific backing, but maybe it's not as much as you would like) and note that there is always some doubt. I think that the educational system does an ok job of this now, but it could be much better.

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    Playing a video game occurs within the household, not without.

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    There's no way of answering that conclusively because we cannot test what we'd be like without it, so while it may be interesting to think about why, any one who claims to know why is simply not telling the truth. All they have is a possibility, which does not merit belief, merely exploration.

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    Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: IneligibleYou asked for examples of the process of evolution. You got them. Now you say the process of evolution means a fish growing legs overnight. It doesn't.You're right...it doesn't happen overnight. So where are all the fossils of it happening at all (the in-between steps)??? Surely one or two must exist with all the evolving going on for thousands of years. (And no...I did not get any examples of this. Why not?)Try actually reading the post above yours.

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    Originally Posted By: thor
    That's just it...they don't know. They can't know. But it's far easier to rationalize away the truth and the potential harm that comes with it than it is to accept the reality that certain freedoms must be curtailed if we expect to be able to live and raise our children without fear of having their minds twisted by some folks who believe they should be allowed the freedom to do just that in the name of making a buck. But many folks will just bury their heads in the sand rather than admit it...which is why it continues to go on and on. That's what liberalism gets you. This is why it's so ugly.
    This contradicts what you just said. In this post, you say that certain freedoms must be curtailed (the freedom to sell/watch/whatever the rape video game mentioned at the beginning of the thread), but now you say parents should be allowed to show their children porn of any form. The rape video game is a form of porn.

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    When what one teaches begins to infringe upon the rights of others, like racism, then the community and government have the responsibility to intervene.By the way, most of your viewpoints are simply agreeing with what other Christians have said to be true; you may think you are seeking truth, but you're only seeking what coincides with your religion (or whatever you are told coincides with your religion). Oh, you know what? Let's look at an example. Do you also agree that parents should be allowed to show their children porn of any form? Your previous posts seem to indicate no.Eh, whatever, I don't feel like debating anything here; it doesn't get anywhere like it does at other forums.

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    You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

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    Evolution Observed Within a Human's LifetimeI think the article speaks for itself.

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