LOL you think I haven't seen it and yet, I live in Shelby County, Texas, the nation's capitol in Methanphetamine production and distribution. My grandparents buy furniture from the country's biggest drug lord. I know what drugs are and I'm not a fan of them.I used to smoke to a degree. After my grandmother died from lung cancer caused by cigarettes, I quit.The answer to your previous question is no, teaching them to safely use drugs isn't the same. Keeping a person from an unwanted child and keeping someone on the track of future addictions are two different things alltogether.If it's bad for them and they know, and they still do it, that's their business, not someone's business to be telling others, especially teenagers, how to roll the perfect joint or anything else.I'm pretty sure with all the sex related things, it would be a given for the Contraception/ Birth Control forum to exist.And talking to your children about using drugs is actually more effective than 0%. A lot more effective. 60-80% of kids who are considering drug use don't use drugs after talking with an adult about it.
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My grandparents buy furniture from the country's biggest drug lordI'm sure they do.> Keeping a person from an unwanted child and keeping someone on the track of future addictions are two different things alltogether.How is it different? In one situation, you're telling them not to do it, while in the other, you're teaching them how to do it safely. Why?> how to roll the perfect joint or anything elseWho ever said anything about including information like that? > I'm pretty sure with all the sex related things, it would be a given for the Contraception/ Birth Control forum to exist.I'm pretty sure with all the drug related things, it would be a given for a Drug forum to exist.> 60-80% of kids who are considering drug use don't use drugs after talking with an adult about it.Do you have a source for that?
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Sammy Dance: Owns a furniture store in Center, Texas. Private jet was forced to land by FBI some years ago and found aboard were over 80 kilos of marijuana from Colombia.Well you're keeping them from causing this harm on themselves where if they do it, they're going to be hurting themselves. THERE IS NO SAFE WAY TO USE DRUGS.It's being hypothetical. Also a hint of fecisciousness.That's why we have an addiction forum, to help you get over the addictions, and I don't see forums labeled: Crank, Crack, Speed, Marijuana, or Methanphetamines anywhere, so there are really no other drug related forums.Try going to the websites and looking it up. They do have websites on how to talk to your kids. This isn't one of them.
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LOL sorry Radeckl, you have no beef in this soup.personally, I didn't know the other one either...
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You think someone having 80kg of weed makes them the biggest drug lord in the country? Wow, you really have no idea about drugs.> THERE IS NO SAFE WAY TO USE DRUGS.Who ever said there was? There's also no safe way to have sex.> Try going to the websites and looking it up. They do have websites on how to talk to your kids. This isn't one of them.So you don't have a source, which means you just made up your statistic.Just what I expected from someone like you.
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> I'm not a recreational drug use advocate and I don't know enough about this proposed forum to say one way or the other.
I think Helms might've assumed you're a stoner because surely everyone who's not a stoner would immediately disagree with this idea of a forum.
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Look SS. Sammy Dance is not only in the business of marijuana, and that was the only private jet they caught.I'm certain that you have good cause to want to have this forum, but it's not wanted here. SDP allready put in his piece and left. I'm no longer encouraging this battle of words either.In Helms' defense, he wasn't assuming anything, he thought that Radeckl was along with you two, but if you read into his post, he isn't backing it either.With that, I put in my piece.
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I've got very little free time tonight so I'll be responding to most of these comments tomorrow, I just wish to reply to one comment: Originally Posted By: bhendrix08Well you're keeping them from causing this harm on themselves where if they do it, they're going to be hurting themselves. THERE IS NO SAFE WAY TO USE DRUGS.Incorrect. Cannabis can be consumed through eating and vaporization with NO negative side-effects whatsoever.Why don't people just use them this way? Well they do, but to eat cannabis requires a lot of time and preparation and also requires a larger quantity of cannabis (just ask Chance, he's been making brownies today). Currently the street prices for large enough amounts are too high for a lot of people, and a spliff can be rolled and smoked in a fraction of the time it takes to prepare food.As for vaporizers, these are quite expensive and are also quite large and not very portable. On a night out on the town it can be very hard to use a vaporizer without being noticed.Personally, I would never advocate Class A drugs (as Helms seems to imply), tobacco or smoking cannabis. There are safe ways for cannabis to be used, and as with alcohol, it is perfectly fine when taken in moderation. Cannabis does not ruin lives. Getting a criminal record for being caught with small quantities for personal use ruins lives. Dealing with criminals and gangs, the most common source of cannabis, ruins lives. Using polluted, tainted and unregulated cannabis ruins lives. Legalisation eliminates all of this. -----------------------------I see the points raised by many people about why there shouldn't be a drug forum, but as a forum that is frequented by so many young teens, I feel like we should have some form of drug education. Even if it was just a Sticky thread in the Addiction forum. Considering how much of a teen's life that this forum deals with (the body, sex, sexuality, contraception, depression, relationships, life in general), it just seems odd that the only mention of drug use seems to be a little "Don't Do It" sticker. Without education, all we are doing is telling kids to not push the big shiny red button.
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Rad, I don't believe that Helms was talking about you at all, he was just replying to you and went off on a tangent. I believe the 3 people that he is talking about are myself, StillSearching and Grvtykllr.If I'm wrong then Helms will probably clarify.Also Helms, I'd like to apologise for the insults that I threw at you. They were provoked but it isn't really any excuse.
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Honestly, if a kid has a question about drugs, they'll find erowid. Let that site deal with all the crap.
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What about the kids already here? In the years that I have been on this forum, this thread is the only one that I can remember ever seeing links to other sites that deal with these sort of questions.
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Apart from the issues of what is right, I think it would be unwise for this site to be seen as giving drug-using advice. As an all-ages site giving advice on sexual matters, we are already sticking our neck out a bit, and we occasionally get people who strongly object to it, and who look for reasons to take the site down. Sticking our neck out in two directions would put the site at too much risk, I believe.Of course, talking about the effects of drugs and medical or psychological issues with drugs falls well within the purpose of the site.
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Sorry but it's another “Nay” for support for this forum from another Mod. It would be irresponsible for us to have a forum about safe ways to use drugs. I personally would have no part of it. As it is now we have people that post threads in the addiction forum that are along these lines, we certainly don’t need a forum dedicated to drug use.As for the whole "birth control" forum being the same, not even close. One thing to consider most people of the people that post in the forum are already sexually active and want information about proper birth control methods. And I can think of many different times it was mentioned that abstinence is the only true 100% effective way to not get pregnant or an STD.There are just too many young and impressionable minds that come to this site to make it responsible to have a forum dedicated to drug use.
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We sort of discussed this last night, I was going to stay out of it, but I think there is a point to be made.Sex, is something we are designed to do. It is an urge that humans have. Even the kid who is locked in the closet for their entire life is going to find those parts that feel good and explore it.No one here encourages kids to have sex. BUT if they are, we encourage safety and awareness of the risks. Telling someone not to have sex is like telling them not to scratch. Sometimes an itch just HAS to be scratched.Drugs aren't something we were "born to do". Without "outside exposure" no one would think of doing them. It is only AFTER they have been tried, and addiction kicks in does it too, become an itch that has to be scratched. I think the addictions forum serves the purpose as well as anything could here.