Guys jerking off other guys? thought about it?

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I absolutely do not understand what you meant. I am not joking.It's as if it's rude to tell someone they are wrong, even if they are. As I see it, there is some sort of objective reality, and some ideas are wrong. I don't understand where you're coming from.The doctors who thought they could cure most gastric ulcers with surgery or psychotherapy were wrong. How they treated ulcers was their opinion, but it was wrong.Would you prefer the word "baseless" to the word "wrong"?Try to focus on the idea under discussion, rather than the personalities involoved in the discussion.

I described it quite well when I said this:Steve I have no issues with other peoples opinions, I usually find hearing other peopels opinions to be interesting because the world is full of people with different view points. What I have issues with are people that try and tell people their opinions are wrong. An opinion is a persons thought and/or belief on a topic. The person receiving the opinion doesn't have to agree with it but at the same time should have enough respect not to say the person is wrong instead it can be said as "That's an interesting point of view but what I think about the topic is....." There truely is no right or wrong opinion because it's a personal thought or belief.>So if a delusional person believes he's Napoleon, he's not wrong?As you said the guy is delusional, he has a medical reason why he thinks he napoleon. Certainly an exception considering the guy is delusional.>If some Klansman tells you that black people are stupid and gays are destroying the country, and you disagree with him, are you saying that you don't think his opinions are wrong?The guy is prejudice and causing hate. Also KKK don't think what thye preach is an opinion, they feel it as fact. Yet again, doesn't apply.>The guys who just won the Nobel prize in medicine came to the conclusion that the great majority of gastric ulcers are caused by a type of bacteria, whereas the medical community at large thought they were caused stress and other factors. Both opinions were not correct.Someone had an opinion, and group also had an opinion. Sometimes a view can change once they find out different information. As I said above I have no issues with someone diagreeing with me when I have an opinion. I have issues when people tell someone their opinion is wrong because they feel their opinion is correct. Sometimes when someone else says "Interesting opinion but this is how I feel about that topic..." can sometimes make someone rethink their opinion. But if someone comes off saying "You are so wrong, my opinion makes more sense" is going to cause the other person to become defensive and not even consider the other persons opinion. Make sense??>In a factual matter, if your opinion is in opposition to that of someone else, how can you not think they're wrong? Is the word "wrong" politically incorrect, and off limits? If there is actualy FACTUAL evidence of something and someone has an opinion that is off base, than sure you can supply the factual evidence. But even than there's a polite formula to follow. When giving factual evidence one can simply say "Interesting thought but So and So company/organization found out this is what causes such and such to happen". You are supplying factual evidence without offending the other party.More clear now??

i always have fantasys about guys jacking me off, vis versa. i am a strait male, but i mean...jerkin off is jerkin off, i also have had fantasys of guys sucking my dick, and girls licking my balls..i duno

That sounds really hot!A lot of us guys feel that way too.

So if a delusional person believes he's Napoleon, he's not wrong?> As you said the guy is delusional, he has a medical reason why he thinks he napoleon. Certainly an exception considering the guy is delusional.There are people who claim to talk to Jesus. Are they delusional? There are people who claim all kinds of things, but haven't been medically diagnosed with a delusional disorder. Are they ever wrong?In reply to:What I have issues with are people that try and tell people their opinions are wrong. An opinion is a persons thought and/or belief on a topic. The person receiving the opinion doesn't have to agree with it but at the same time should have enough respect not to say the person is wrong instead it can be said as "That's an interesting point of view but what I think about the topic is....." There truely is no right or wrong opinion because it's a personal thought or belief.That qoute and that post were muddle-headed nonsense. If you claim that 2 + 3 = 9, you are wrong, whether I tell you you're wrong rudely or politely. It's not all form; substance matters as well.> Someone had an opinion, and group also had an opinion. Sometimes a view can change once they find out different information.You missed the whole bloody point. Before their opinions evolved, the ulcers-are-caused-by-stress doctors were wrong. They were fcing wrong. They were wrong, and they were causing damage to people they sent to surgeons and psychologists.> The guy is prejudice and causing hate. Also KKK don't think what thye preach is an opinion, they feel it as fact. Yet again, doesn't apply.What are you talking about? Are you telling me you don't believe your opinions? A Klansman feels about white Christians the way you feel about certain herbal remedies. Neither opinion (i.e., belief) is more valid than the other. The fact that something strikes an emotional chord with you does not affect its validity. Do you understand the formal sense of the word "validity"?You seem to think that some of your opinions on certain factual issues are just a matter of taste. Do you choose your opinions on everything the way you chose the color of the shirt you're going to wear? You've confounded matters of taste with matters of fact. If you tell me your favorite color, I won't chanllenge that.If I have an opinion on some fact, and you have an opposing opinion, then you think that I'm wrong. I have no problem with your thinking I'm wron. Why is that so insanely difficult for you to comprehend?

Oh no...not another one of these endless debates!!!!!!!! Please please please.....give it a rest guys....you're never going to agree on this one and it isn't that important anyway...

Oh I 100% agree Lance.. why I didn't even read his post because it's pointless. I can make all the sense in the world and he'll still find a way to debate it.

I never told you you were wrong, i said i dont agree with you.And you are such a hypocrite talking about how steve never lets a debate go, when you are in it along with him every step of the way.

Listen I have no issue with you so let this thread die okay? You and I simply had a miscommunication thats all. Everything is cool. You have no idea the "relationship" Steve and I have. And I'm not about to rehash it. Just let this thread die please. Thanks. =-D

Ha ha ha ha! You just can't let it go! You are an ar-gu-er, but you can't come to terms with it! Welcome to my world, fellow arguer! Do you know the secret debater's handshake?> And you are such a hypocrite talking about how steve never lets a debate go, when you are in it along with him every step of the way.Exactly. I don't deny my argumentative side. At least I'm not a hypocrite about it. If you're an analytical guy, and a solipsistic one at that (Have you looked up that word yet?), how can you be so incredibly out of touch with yourself? Step outside of yourself. Observe yourself. You love to argue, and rarely can you let things go. Quelle ironie.

See Steve I'm not an arguer, but when someone judges my character and such I will defend that. If you would stick to a topic and not personally attack who I am I can easily ignore you ignorance. Problem is you cannot debate without personally attacking someone and because of that it doens't make you a good arguer it makes you a very rude and ignorant individual not to mention it makes you sound to be a very uneducated person as well.

The way you are saying it seems to be that you think it's about emotional attration to the person being greater than the physical attracction.When it comes to relationships, it's what gender is most physically attractive, and then who you want to be with (which is the emotional), which finally determines your orientation. You agree with that statement, correct? That statement can be weighed either way as to which is more important (physical or emotional), so there's no point in arguing about it. I'm saying that It's more about who turns you on, and then in the end it's who you want to be with.We're probably both right here, and saying the exact same thing, it's just because of the whole "reading" aspect that our opinions aren't getting across.

>We're probably both right here, and saying the exact same thing, it's just because of the whole "reading" aspect that our opinions aren't getting across.

Exactly =-D

Word...

OK, one last hijack...> See Steve I'm not an arguer...Oh my God, how can someone be so blind to one of one's basic personality characteristics? It's not even funny...it pathetic.> when someone judges my character and suchYou've judged me every which way, you've inventoried my personality flaws (as you see them), and you called me a prick. That doesn't count, argumenatative dude?> makes you sound to be a very uneducated person as well.You seem to really hung up on the edumication thing. Having a diploma, in and of itself, does not confer the ability to think, and it certainly not proof that the holder has a clue.Now let's see if you can resist replying to this, Mr. Non-Arguer.

You've judged me every which way, you've inventoried my personality flaws (as you see them), and you called me a prick. That doesn't count, argumenatative dude?Lord. Look back on our history of debates Steve. WHo started calling names first. WHo started the feud to begin with? let me save you the trouble of looking.. it was you. You are always the first person to throw out name calling and slander. And I am going to defend myself? Hell yes!>Now let's see if you can resist replying to this, Mr. Non-ArguerI am not going to play your childish little games of "I'm going to degrade you and you cannot defend yourself because it makes you an arguer" Game. Grow up! If you want the thread to end than stop the name calling. Stop the personality attacks. Stop the education attacks. Just stop.

God, I love forum drama. It's better than ice cream in the morning.

js> God, I love forum drama.Drama? This is more like a poorly-scripted reality show.--------> WHo started calling names first."You started it!" Isn't this getting a bit childish?> WHo started the feud to begin with?Ditto.> Now let's see if you can resist replying to this, Mr. Non-ArguerNo, you can't.I'm not interested in insulting you. I just wish you would stop bending science and logic into a pretzel. If you'd stop doing that, it would be awsome. But when you post things that are demonstrably, objectively incorrect, even if they're your opinion, that's a problem.Now let's see if you can let this go.

Maybe, for the sake of everyone else, you just just agree to disagree.

I'm ready for that too! You guys will NEVER agree on this one so forget it already....