Abortion
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well, at least when his father dies, we have one less idiot to worry about
That's funny, my dad is pro-choice
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except hes already passed on his dilusions to his son...its a pity, this cycle of ignorance.
Also funny, because I'm pro-life
hehehe, actually, you've got it wrong. My father thinks women are the stronger sex, as do I.
that may be, but I still don't agree with the solutions/ways he puts his opinion.
Either way, I'm not trying to judge anyone. I just don't agree with any of the "quotes" you took from your father.
Alas, I seem to disagree with many tonight... :wink:
I was using my father's quotes as a way to demonstrate how my views have branched from his and, unsuspectingly, it also has demonstrated how misunderstanding and miscommunication can evolve through lack of analysis and too much haste.I find the way his opinion is put across tends to be quite morbid and hopeless, but there is little bits of truth contained within it.As for his solutions, they probably don't vary much from your own since he is recognized as being pro-choice.What should we do about abortions? Reduce them--educate the public and inform about the availability of contraceptives. I think most people would agree with this solution. Whether a person is prolife or prochoice is quite irrelevant I would think; considering the emotional stress that some women are put through when having the procedure done.
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teenages (who im assuming you are ranting on about, im assuming) arent fit to be parents.
I believe that post was made by CaughtMyFancy and I'm here to tell you you're wrong. I don't know if you meant as whole or not but my mother was a parent at the age of 15 and I'm the oldest child. So she had me when she was 15. She had all of her children by the time she was 19. She finished high school, went to college FULL TIME to be a nurse (her GPA NEVER dropped below a 3.5), had two FULL TIME jobs (yeah that would be almost 70+ hours a week), took care of three kids and her husband (and my parents are STILL married...22 years) and our house was NEVER a mess. My parents have worked their asses off. And they were kids when they got married (my mom was 15 and my dad was 22). So you can't speak for all teenagers or kids who have kids.
As for abortion, I'm pro-life. I believe you made your choice when you decided to have sex meaning that it's like a contract. By having sex you agree to take on all the responsibilities and/or consequences that come a long with that. What about rape you ask? I was a victim of rape. And while I think under circumstances like that it SHOULD be left up to the woman, I couldn't do it. I look at it this way: This man raped me, the baby didn't. It should at least be given a chance to live. And while I would suggest adoption, again, I couldn't do it because that baby has parts of me too. And babies don't have to be born to be alive. They're alive inside you. I was with my cousin one day when she had an ultrasound. I could see the head, hands, feet and eyes. I got to hear the heart beat. And she moved (yep, it's a girl....Miranda Faye...middle name is after my grandma). She moved her arms and legs. So it is a living thing. I consider abortion murder. But the thing is....even though I'm pro-life....I cannot choose for any woman what she does with her body even though I don't believe it's JUST their body anymore when they become pregnant. It IS theirs...however...it's someone else's too for 9 months...or at least it should be. And in a perfect world their wouldn't be any abortions however, I have to respect that some these women who do have abortions do not make that decision easily. Some women agonize over it. But there are women out there who use it only as a form of birth control and those same women have abortions because it makes it easy for them to disregard responsibility and I think that's wrong.
In reply to: My father has a philosophy, and it goes something like this. The more rights one has then the more power and the more responsibility must be taken. Over the years, women have become less responsible because they've become less moral, and so some rights probably shouldn't have been awarded, like abortion. But it has already been given, and what you have given cannot be taken away. The morality of this country is beyond repair. I feel at ease knowing that your father has set the moral values for an entire country
It shouldn't matter to you, you don't live here.
he lives here
In reply to: I feel at ease knowing that your father has set the moral values for an entire country set? everyone has an opinion of what morals people should follow, I was merely stating a tiny little bit of his.
As an aside to some of the deeper moral issues in the abortion debate, if you're looking for a link between unwanted children, abortion and crime:Levitt, Steven D. and John J. Donohue. "The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime." Quarterly Journal of Economics 116, no.2 (May 2001): 379-420.But also see the response:Joyce, Theodore. "Did Legalized Abortion Lower Crime?" Journal of Human Resources 39(1) (January 2004) pp. 29-49(21)Levitt and Donahue argue that the decline in crime in the 90s was causally linked to legalized abortion (they claim a 50% causal link!). The argument is that many unwanted children who are not aborted are neglected and become criminals. The study tries to control for a number of various other factors, even though I personally think that there are so many variables in the "crime equation" that a 50% link to one variable is somewhat crazy (though I'm not opposed to a smaller causal link).Joyce responds by pointing out a number of factors that he thinks weren't properly controlled. Anyway, as I said, this is a side debate, and it's not (in my opinion) a major reason to legalize abortion (or to keep it legal). It's just a consideration. I didn't link to either paper because even though people have undoubtedly (and illegally) posted these papers on the web, I wouldn't want to make copyright violators out of the good people at A2A
