Aliens

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Just out of curiosity do any of you believe there is life on others planets and/or other universes. I do cause why the hell not.

have you ever thown down a yard full of grass seed and only had one sprout?

I look at it this way: our universe is infinite! It can't possibly be that we are the only life form that exists! Somewhere out there, they exist!!x-files music

There are people living on Uranus.

Interesting book on Scientology and its relationship with flying saucers.I wouldn't confuse Chariots of the Gods with something that's, how can I put this, true and factual. In fact, it's bunk. A nice quote from skepdic.com:In reply to:The term 'ancient astronauts' designates the speculative notion that aliens are responsible for the most ancient civilizations on earth. The most notorious proponent of this idea is Erich von Däniken, author of several popular books on the subject. His Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past, for example, is a sweeping attack on the memories and abilities of ancient peoples. Von Däniken claims that the myths, arts, social organizations, etc., of ancient cultures were introduced by astronauts from another world. He questions not just the capacity for memory, but the capacity for culture and civilization itself, in ancient peoples. Prehistoric humans did not develop their own arts and technologies, but rather were taught art and science by visitors from outer space.Where is the proof for von Däniken's claims? Some of it was fraudulent. For example, he produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig. The pottery depicts flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times. However, investigators from Nova (the fine public-television science program) found the potter who had made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Däniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would only believe if they saw proof ("The Case of the Ancient Astronauts," first aired 3/8/78, done in conjunction with BBC's Horizon and Peter Spry-Leverton)!However, most of von Däniken's evidence is in the form of specious and fallacious arguments. His data consists mainly of archaeological sites and ancient myths. He begins with the ancient astronaut assumption and then forces all data to fit the idea. For example, in Nazca, Peru, he explains giant animal drawings in the desert as an ancient alien airport. The likelihood that these drawings related to the natives' religion or science is not considered. He also frequently reverts to false dilemma reasoning of the following type: "Either this data is to be explained by assuming these primitive idiots did this themselves or we must accept the more plausible notion that they got help from extremely advanced peoples who must have come from other planets where such technologies as anti-gravity devices had been invented." His devotion to this theory has not dwindled, despite contrary evidence, as is evidenced by still another book on the subject, Arrival of the Gods : Revealing the Alien Landing Sites at Nazca (1998).. . .Moral of the story: don't believe things that you read because they sound cool.As far as other intelligent beings in the universe in concerned, it's certainly possible (maybe even probable), but there's no good evidence that any of it every visited the Earth.

mr u, that was a really clever comment, set me off thinking.. woo

thank you.

Very clever indeed. Found it to be quite the thinker. :laughing:

I do. There is much that don't know and/or understand, and much that the peole that do know (the government) are not willing to share (for obvious reasons).I have numerous things that I could share, but needless to say, I think it very, very real. It would be very arrogant and ignorant to think otherwise.My thoughts exactly!

People could also live underground, orin Uranus.

"aliens are responsible for the most ancient civilizations on earth."Thanks for posting the article Steve. As a native, I find it insulting when any achievement that a non-European civilization has made is relegated to alien activity. Whether they are aware of it or not, the proponents of these theories are actually stating, that the indigenous peoples could not possibly have accomplished these wonders because they're just to primitive and dumb, be they Easter Island bust builders, Egyptian pyramid builders, or any pre-European man-made wonder anywhere in the Americas. Racism has a way of lurking even in the most innocent of speculations.Warning: I'm extremely bored read ahead at your own risk!!!As for life elsewhere in the universe, I would think it improbable that there aren't at least billions of advanced civilizations out there. Especially considering that there are estimated to be some 50 billion galaxies in the visible universe with an estimated 70 sextillion "visible" stars. To give 70 sextillion a point of reference, that is 10 times the estimated number of grains of sand in all the desserts and on all the beaches on earth.As for how advanced life elsewhere would be, depends on seemingly endless list of variables. The most important of these variable is the avalibilty of time to develop. The universe, as we know it, is estimated to be between 12 and 14 billion years old. While at least one planet has been found that is estimated to be around 10 billion years old it is the exception, it is huge, gaseous, and more likely a failed star than a true planet. Life as we know it, most likely, requires a terrestrial planet which puts a much greater restriction on time to develop. All heavy elements are forged in the depth of stars and then broadcast into space in giant supernova. Even given that large stars live short lives, it is estimated that there were not enough heavy elements, yet forged, to make non-gaseous objects anything other than rare, until around 8.5 to 9.5 billion years ago. This means that, most likely, any intelligence out there is only 2 or 3 billion years older than us (the age of our solar system). Neglecting all limiting factors, within a solar system, to uninterrupted development, the question then becomes, how does intelligence evolve. Does intelligence grow exponentially, does it grow in spurts with long plateaus in between, does it take one great leap forward then only have low steady growth thereafter. Lastly assuming intelligence grows exponentially, can intelligence ever overcome distance, even for communication, without regard for travel. The speed of light is horribly slow given the scale of space and therefor makes communication between civilizations impractical. In a universe where it will take 1000 years to ask the question and another 1000 years to get the answer(assuming there is somebody reasonably close), with at least one of the parties (us) living only around 100 years, can that communication be, in any real terms, productive and advance both or one of the civilizations. Travel become nearly out of the question, in terms of physics as we understand them. While opening a wormhole is mathematically possible, intelligence still has some major hurtles to cope with. For instance, how do you come up with the practically infinite power needed to keep a wormhole open for longer than a millisecond and big enough to allow passage to anything bigger than a particle, how do you make sure the wormhole dumps you where you wanted to go, once your there how do you get back. There are many other mathematical methods for traversing space but all have their limitations. Chief among those limitations, are, that the results achieved are the results of the laws of physics and not necessarily the results the traveler desires.Now having listed why interaction between civilized societies is at best highly unlikely, the caveat must be applied that all these arguments are based only on physics as we understand in our visible universe. Furthermore our understanding of the true nature of physics is lacking at best and what we observe in physics, with regard to gravitation, electromagnetism and quantum mechanics, is often contradictory and only seems to further obfuscate the finale unifying theory and there-in a complete understanding of the cosmos and all of its variables. Thus leaving open the possibility that, being that, there are many things we do not understand and have yet to discover in just the realm of physics, it is entirely possible that some galactic civilization has conquered all these hurtles and is able to pop in and out of our realm of understanding.The long and short of this is that, while science can say galactic communication between civilizations is unlikely based on our understanding of the universe, science must also add, that given our incomplete understanding of all of the factors and the variables of physics any answer we give is incomplete and therefor invalid, as far as being a matter of fact. So, all in all, all we know is that we don't know enough to give any definitive answer on whether any alien is capable of visiting us. In ending, the door for alien visitation is neither anymore closed or anymore open than it was at the beginning of the exploration of this question.See, I told ya I was bored...and damn!, now you are also....LoL

I think its very...closed minded and self centered if you dont think there are aliens. I mean, it seems so incredibly unbelievably unlikely we are the only ones in the whole expanding universe.

nice post. (did aliens help you?)You're absolutely right about the underlying racist tones of many of those antient alien theories, although I don't think that there was an intentional malace.I stongly believe that there is life elswhere. I doubt that we have been visited. One of the things we have to remember is that science has a long history of difficulty identifying and defining terrestrial life. Chances are we could trip over an Martian and never realise it.

have you ever thown down a yard full of grass seed and only had one sprout? If there's no source of water in any yard but yours, only your yard will have grass. It's possible that there's (metaphorical) water in other places, or all over the place, but all we can say now is "maybe".

I don't think he meant that they will only grow in one yard, but that only one seed would sprout out of all the ones you throw.

the Universe being my yard, of course it's a "maybe". What we do know though is that the elements that lead to life on Earth are not exclusive to Earth.Given the probabilities mixed with the astronomical numbers, the likelyhood of identifiable life is high.... you just couldn't let me revel in a couple of compliments, coud you

Yes the grays have been speaking to me telepathically as I stare out the window in unequivocal boredom.>>>"Chances are we could trip over an Martian and never realise it."Exactly. We ourselves may be the aliens we seek. One possibility of the arrival of life on earth is that simple organisms drifted here from other places, found a nice habital spot and took off developing. It is known that strawberry spores and some kind of juvenile spider commonly drift out into space in a case of a water droplet then drift back into earth to start their life in another far off spot. How exactly they handle the re-entry I don't know. But none the less something to consider.

after the last shuttle disaster, there were microbes from an on-board experiment that survived the explosion, re-entry and impact.

I'm kind of late posting something, but I just remembered it. I was watching the Discovery Channel a while back and I saw a show about this type of stuff. They found that it might be possible for life forms (like single-celled organisms) to travel inside of asteroids or meteors and still live. They theorized that one of these could've hit earth a long time ago and started life on this planet, which seems possible. They also recently found a meteor or some space rock that contained a fossil inside of it. It wasn't even from earth. So, it had to come from somewhere else unless, of course, it broke off of earth a long time ago and flew out into space and returned.

It was a nice way of putting it, but no one is off the hook. (Right, Angel?)From everything I've read on the subject, I'd have to say the idea of life elsewhere is....an open question. The basic chemical building blocks seem to be there. Are there enough suitable planets around to host life, for the probablility of life to be high? No one knows yet, althogh astronomers are refining techniques for discovering planets.There may be lots of life, but it may be very primitive. It was a series of fortuitous accidents that allowed life on Earth to advance beyond bacteria.