Group masturbation?

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Ive heard alot of people talking about how they have masturbated with there friends, and even sucked each others penis. does this make u gay,bi or is this just a fetish?

I don't think it's any of the above. I think a lot of it's just experimenting which is 100% normal. People are curious about there bodies and curious about other peoples bodies.Being gay or bi isn't all about a homosexual act.. it's about having feelings and wanting an emotional homosexual relationship.

Experimentation with others of the same sex doesn't make you gay or bi but it can influence your orientation. If you find being with partners of your gender more satisfying than being with the oposite gender that I would say is the first step on the path to GLB.

it can influence your orientationOr help you find your true orientation?

I would say thats essentialy a difference in wording.

Theres a big difference between "causes you to become gay" and "reveals that you are gay but didn't know it".

No, there's a real difference in meaning. "Influencing" an orientation means it has been changed; "finding" an orientation implies it is unchanged.

Well I didn't say it would cause you to become gay, however it can deffinatly influence your decision about what your orientation is. I think the dispute here is that you see orientation as an inevitable conclusion written in stone, and I see it as a decision based upon what you best enjoy and what feels right.

Back to the original question...I've known far too many straight guys who have done it and remained straight to think it makes one gay.

Well I didn't say it would cause you to become gay, however it can deffinatly influence your decision about what your orientation is.I'm just trying to disambiguate that. Are you saying that it won't make you gay, but that it can make you kind of gay?There's mounting evidence that your sexual orientation is already set before adolescence, whether the influence is genetic, hormonal, etc., although it's not a proven fact.There are counselors (most of them religious) who try to "convert" homosexuals into heterosexuals. There's really good evidence that that doesn't work.

Back to the original question...We were precisely addressing the original question.

Seems to me you were discussing the difference between influencing sexuality and finding sexuality, not how group masturbation does either of those things.I wasn't calling anyone to question for anything they were posting. I was just attempting to answer the original question directly.

PorkSnorker> Experimentation with others of the same sex doesn't make you gay or bi but it can influence your orientation.That is essentially what the OP was asking about, although it wasn't a yes/no answer.

In reply to: PorkSnorker> Experimentation with others of the same sex doesn't make you gay or bi but it can influence your orientation.That is essentially what the OP was asking about, although it wasn't a yes/no answer. Sure. I kind of think we're on the same page here. I didn't mean to sound like I was accusing you of hijacking a thread. It was probably a valid discussion. I was just trying to answer more directly.Carry on...

I don't think orientation is somthing that can or should be influenced by other people. I think that you decide weter you want to sleep with and have intimate relationships with men or women based on what feels best. Therefor experimentation, in my opinion, does influence your sexual orientation. I am NOT saying that it causes you to become gay or straight, I am saying without experimentation you would not have ground on which to decide wether to pursue men or women.

based on what feels bestBut a valid question is, what makes you think one thing or another feel best, in the first place? If it's true that you find out what you already like through experimentation, then fooling around with people of the same sex is a good thing, so you know where you stand.I think you're saying that experimentation leads to the discovery of your true nature, rather then changing it, but then you say it's not "written in stone". I'm not sure whether you're saying the orientation is not written in stone, or whether the understanding of one's orientation is not wrtiten in stone.I personally never felt the desire to do that, but I also don't remember ever having felt sexually attracted to another guy (although I have been hit on by guys). I never felt the need to "prove" my orientation, but then I'm not an adolescent.I guess the bottom line is, Who knows? People can try whatever they like, as long as they take proper precautions, and don't harm anyone.

SteveA.>>>I think you're saying that experimentation leads to the discovery of your true nature, rather then changing it, but then you say it's not "written in stone"I'm saying that nothing about you is written in stone. Anything can change hair color, sexual orientation, personality, etc, etc. So via experimentation you find the shoe that fits you best. Our personalitys are not governed by our genes. A person's personality is based on experiences and their past. Therefor I think since sexual orientation is a part of your personality it too is affected by you past life. An example: If say as a young boy you had a horrible experience such as a mean foster mother, and you met an older boy who comforted you and acted as an older brother. That expeirience could affect your sexual orientation. If the only person you love is another boy, even if its only on a platonic level could cause you to seek love from other males. That situation is only a hypothetical off the cuff example, but it is the only way I can think of to try and get my reasoning across

Our personalitys are not governed by our genes.That is demonstrably false, in various mammals, as well as human beings. It was the view of sociologists 30 years ago, but now I don't think there's any serious question that genes have some influence on personality.There is some recent reserarch on there being a correlation between shyness and a specific DNA sequence, and the evidence in the area of genetic and personality is mounting.There is also a bunch of evidence on how genes affect sexual orientation. To quote myself from 8/8/05:_________________________________________________________________________________This was once posted by f22fighter:In reply to: In reply to: There's a new study out that I'm currently looking into shown at http://my.webmd.com/content/article/100/105486.htm It supports that there could be several genetic regions linked to sexual preference. OK, so say it IS shown that certain regions in genes influence one towards homosexuality.Apparently the timing of sex hormone exposure in the womb can also have an effect on one's sexual orientation.

That was an interesting paper, but none of it was conclusive. I'm going to rephrase what I said earlier "Our personalitys are not governed by our genes."; Our personalities are not dictated by our genes. Yes you are born with inherited personality traits, but that doesn't mean you can't/won't change. Its a fact that you change as you grow, so I will concede to you that its possible and highly likely that humans are born with predetermined sexual biases, however during postbirth development effects a person's orientation.A thought: Could the homosexuality gene be a form of population control that we developed via evolution? If not do you think future generations may loose the homosexuality gene because it goes against the basic servival principle of breeding with every female possible before dying.

Could the homosexuality gene be ...That is an interesting area of conjecture. Who knows? Unless they were going to be something like worker ants, it seems unlikely. But, like I said...who knows?I think that some humans are born with very strong sexual biases. There may be some humans who are more "on the fence" (i.e., bisexual) in their orientation, and it's likely that their experiences determine whether they live as a heterosexual or as a homosexual (if they choose not to be bisexual). But it's interesting that under functional MRI observation, diffences in the function of certain specific brain areas are noticeable between male hetero and homosexuals.At the end of it all, not all that much is really understood about what determines sexual orientation. But it is still interesting that homosexuality is common among mammals (and penguins), who don't experience much in the way of cultural influence.